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I was just looking at the Rockets roster and salaries on HoopsHype, and when I saw Barry's I couldn't belive how low it was for. Did the Spurs not think he was worth 4 million for 2 years?? To me that would be a no brainer, especially since he knows the system, was having his best year as a Spurs before getting hurt last year, and contributed huge in the playoffs when he was actually given some playing time. He was the ONE Spur who can drain the wide open three so many other role players on our team can't seem to hit.
Here is what they have his salary at on that site
08/09 = 1,910,000
09/10 = 2,062,800
If that is truly the contract he got, I can't belive the Spurs didn't think he was worth that. Its as bad as giving Bonner the contract we did while thinking Scola wasn't worth the same and giving him away for nothing.
The Spurs, making the Rockets better one summer at a time
Barry had guaranteed money with SA next year. He was under contract. He could have stayed had he wanted. He opted out. Fans have cried all off season about getting younger and now Barry leaving the Spurs = the Scola mess?
I like the way people assume that every freaking free agents WANTS to play for the Spurs, and when they end up on another team it's because the Spurs didn't make the right offer.
The possibility exists (as was the case with Bones) that particular free agents just don't want to play in San Antonio. That's why you become a free agent....because you have the power to choose where you want to play. Bones didn't want SA for a variety of reasons...not one of which was the lucrative contract offer he received from Houston.
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I was just looking at the Rockets roster and salaries on HoopsHype, and when I saw Barry's I couldn't belive how low it was for. Did the Spurs not think he was worth 4 million for 2 years?? To me that would be a no brainer, especially since he knows the system, was having his best year as a Spurs before getting hurt last year, and contributed huge in the playoffs when he was actually given some playing time. He was the ONE Spur who can drain the wide open three so many other role players on our team can't seem to hit.
Here is what they have his salary at on that site
08/09 = 1,910,000
09/10 = 2,062,800
If that is truly the contract he got, I can't belive the Spurs didn't think he was worth that. Its as bad as giving Bonner the contract we did while thinking Scola wasn't worth the same and giving him away for nothing.
The Spurs, making the Rockets better one summer at a time
There ended being a rift between Barry and the Spurs FO and so it wasn't a matter of money but rather Barry wanting to end his career at a location where he would get some actual playing time and be a regular part of a rotation.
And so some relationships end.
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__________________ And so it has come to this. Such a sad state we now live in.
There ended being a rift between Barry and the Spurs FO and so it wasn't a matter of money but rather Barry wanting to end his career at a location where he would get some actual playing time and be a regular part of a rotation.
And so some relationships end.
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Loyalty is a two way street. I just don't think the Spurs FO showed Brent ANY real loyalty, so why should Brent show them any loyalty. It sucks, but I still love Brent in a completely non gay way. Besides, as teams go, I've always liked the Rockets, and if any team in the NBA was to win a ring besides the Spurs, I would rather have it be them.
There ended being a rift between Barry and the Spurs FO and so it wasn't a matter of money but rather Barry wanting to end his career at a location where he would get some actual playing time and be a regular part of a rotation.
OK, that I can understand. And I would be frustrated as heck if I was Barry watching Finley get tons of playing time while producing very little while he was stuck on the bench no matter how well he played. Pop is a great coach, but sometimes he has me scratching my head with his rotations, and his favoritism towards certain players no matter how horribly they play.
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Their goal was to get younger, and Barry was the oldest of the guards. Besides, we have a player with a similar skillset in Mason.
Being able to shoot 3's might be a similar skill set, but Barry has been knocking them down his entire career. On this current team, players get alot of open looks from the outside due to Duncan, Manu, and Parker, Barry was one of the few we have had that could actually knock down that shot consistantly. Roger Mason has yet to even reach the 40% mark from the outside, he is no Barry, not yet.
There ended being a rift between Barry and the Spurs FO and so it wasn't a matter of money but rather Barry wanting to end his career at a location where he would get some actual playing time and be a regular part of a rotation.
And so some relationships end.
.
If you read his comments from his press conference in Houston, he talked about having 2 years left and wanted to go out playing. IMO it was primarily about playing time which is quite understandable. He has 2 rings w/ SA. He is going to a team that is loaded w/ talent that is aspiring to greatness. He will play a bunch and be looked up to as the guy on the team w/ 2 rings more than the rest of the team combined. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.
And less we forget, the Spurs traded him last year and tried to trade him the year before, I truly believe that if he hadn't opted out, he would have been traded again, and the Spurs HAD to start getting younger and seeing what the next generation can do....
Being able to shoot 3's might be a similar skill set, but Barry has been knocking them down his entire career. On this current team, players get alot of open looks from the outside due to Duncan, Manu, and Parker, Barry was one of the few we have had that could actually knock down that shot consistantly. Roger Mason has yet to even reach the 40% mark from the outside, he is no Barry, not yet.
You're unfairly judging Mason. He's only played for 3 seasons and actually got playing time for 2. You're comparing career 3 point shooting, when Barry has played in the league for 13 years. You have to give him some time. As you said, players get the open looks a lot because of the 3, but Mason hasn't had the luxury of playing with them on the same team yet. In Washington he didn't have dominant teammates nor bigmen that could give him the open look. Comparing Barry to Mason with those situation is quite foolish.
You're unfairly judging Mason. He's only played for 3 seasons and actually got playing time for 2. You're comparing career 3 point shooting, when Barry has played in the league for 13 years. You have to give him some time. As you said, players get the open looks a lot because of the 3, but Mason hasn't had the luxury of playing with them on the same team yet. In Washington he didn't have dominant teammates nor bigmen that could give him the open look. Comparing Barry to Mason with those situation is quite foolish.
In Seattle Brent never had anyone getting him open looks either, but he still shot a better percentage than Mason though...
I don't know how Mason will be, I do know that Brent was our most consistent (and best) shooter when he was healthy. I will miss that.
As you said, players get the open looks a lot because of the 3, but Mason hasn't had the luxury of playing with them on the same team yet
Yeah, but I've been a Spurs fan for a very long time, and just about every FA that comes here doesn't play well especially the 1st year, and they can't hit the WIDE open shots they get. Don't get me wrong, I hope he can come in and knock them down, but by past experiences that usually doesn't happen, so I'm not expecting much at all from him. I also doubt he could run the point like Barry could when we needed that from him.
There ended being a rift between Barry and the Spurs FO and so it wasn't a matter of money but rather Barry wanting to end his career at a location where he would get some actual playing time and be a regular part of a rotation.
And so some relationships end.
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Hmmm... I didn't know this, of course, I could see why in regards to being traded and always having rumors of being traded.
If this is the case then why did he choose to return to the Spurs last year over another team? I believe the Rockets were interested then as well.
And I think Barry did have a role when he was healthy. In the beginning of the season, he was getting some good minutes and performing well. I guess he was professional enough not to let all that show because I sure didn't have a clue that he was having issues w/the FO.
Sheez, why is this turning into a Barry vs. Mason thread? For peace stake, Brent is the son of hall of famer Rick Barry. Of course, he can shoot!! He was the 15th pick??
To Mason's credit, he did shoot .398% for 3 last year, playing the most minutes he's ever played 21.4
It tickles me how some fans are around here. I remember when Bones was in a slump in previous years, some fans here were calling for his head. Now that he's gone, some people act like he was a basketball GOD.
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It tickles me how some fans are around here. I remember when Bones was in a slump in previous years, some fans here were calling for his head. Now that he's gone, some people act like he was a basketball GOD.
Yeah. Seems like fans want the best of all worlds. So many complained about the age, etc of the Spurs and when some older vets start to leave, all of a sudden it's like these guys are irreplaceable.
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It tickles me how some fans are around here. I remember when Bones was in a slump in previous years, some fans here were calling for his head. Now that he's gone, some people act like he was a basketball GOD.
Hahaha so true. 2005 playoffs, there was always a thread about how Devin Brown should play over Barry.
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Yeah. Seems like fans want the best of all worlds. So many complained about the age, etc of the Spurs and when some older vets start to leave, all of a sudden it's like these guys are irreplaceable.
True that.
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Yeah. Seems like fans want the best of all worlds. So many complained about the age, etc of the Spurs and when some older vets start to leave, all of a sudden it's like these guys are irreplaceable.
In this matter, I think people were looking for Horry and Finley to leave and keep Barry. Barry had a super year when he wasn't injured.
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In this matter, I think people were looking for Horry and Finley to leave and keep Barry. Barry had a super year when he wasn't injured.
I'm sure you are right about this. I am also sure there were people who wanted to get young at all costs save the big 3. Finicky is the word that comes to mind.
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