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Old 02-13-07, 06:25 PM
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Are you happy about the Ely trade?

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Old 02-13-07, 06:28 PM
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I like it but I hope we do more
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Old 02-13-07, 06:29 PM
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Why not? Sure, he alone is not the answer to our problems. But, he's actually a below 35 big guy with fresh legs who can help, and he cost us practically nothing. I don't see much of a negative side on this one.
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Old 02-13-07, 06:57 PM
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If he can contribute its better than before. So yes, i like it
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Yes, Oberto and Elson are so bad that I'm happy with anything

If we get M.Bryant and T-Mass back I'd be happy
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Old 02-13-07, 07:09 PM
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Yes, Oberto and Elson are so bad that I'm happy with anything

If we get M.Bryant and T-Mass back I'd be happy
Tmass or bryant????? why not just sign david wood.... someone please stop the madness
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Old 02-13-07, 07:12 PM
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I'm not joking.

Bryant and T-Mass played hard, very hard and could get a reb

Oberto is the worst big man since F.Spencer

Elson is a good bench player

I hope Ely starts and Butler has a chance

Oberto and Elson didn't do very well, especially Oberto
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Old 02-13-07, 07:31 PM
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I'm not joking.

Bryant and T-Mass played hard, very hard and could get a reb

Oberto is the worst big man since F.Spencer

Elson is a good bench player

I hope Ely starts and Butler has a chance

Oberto and Elson didn't do very well, especially Oberto
u were nt joking... but t mass and bryant would make the spurs older i thought the spurs needed to get younger
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Old 02-13-07, 07:32 PM
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I wouldn't say happy, but pleased I am. It maybe even wakes up the rest of the guys...
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Old 02-13-07, 07:34 PM
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I prefer the old guys who play hard rather than the soft youngs
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Old 02-13-07, 07:42 PM
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I prefer the old guys who play hard rather than the soft youngs
you gotta blame pop for this one some of the pieces of the puzzle just did nt work out it happens. so lets just hope cia pop redeems himself. The team is not soft they are just getting out played. tim, tony and manu can only do so much.
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Old 02-13-07, 07:58 PM
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you gotta blame pop for this one some of the pieces of the puzzle just did nt work out it happens. so lets just hope cia pop redeems himself. The team is not soft they are just getting out played. tim, tony and manu can only do so much.
You can blame Pop for a lot of sh[*
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Old 02-13-07, 08:05 PM
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beats me. I voted Yes. We got nothing to lose with this transaction. We got another big body who could step in and provide what the others cannot. Best case scenario, we get what Ely did for the Bobcats last year with 22 mins a game, it was 12 and 9 and 2?

At worst, another worthless body on the bench. E Will wasn't doing anything for the spurs anyways
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Old 02-13-07, 08:39 PM
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Getting potentially something for definitely nothing can't be anything but a good trade.
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Old 02-13-07, 09:24 PM
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maybe his 2.9 points will make the Spurs 2.9 points better. I have to take a wait and see attitude on this one.
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Old 02-13-07, 09:39 PM
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beats me. I voted Yes. We got nothing to lose with this transaction. We got another big body who could step in and provide what the others cannot. Best case scenario, we get what Ely did for the Bobcats last year with 22 mins a game, it was 12 and 9 and 2?

At worst, another worthless body on the bench. E Will wasn't doing anything for the spurs anyways
Those are old D Rob Numbers of 02-03, hell anyone getting over 10 a game and 8 boards a game for this team would be a damn miracle We are used to the 7 and 6 or Rasho that one year and 5 and 5 of Mohammed etc. that our bar has been lowered this damn low . Sucks doesn't it?

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once again, my spurs fandom and non-nba fandom leads me to say......

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i HATE giving up draft picks though. especially with TD's retirement looming somewhere in the near future.
Near future? Maybe 5 or so down the road, I see him playing at a high level for a few more years though atleast, then a few more after that like D Rob did in the later years of his career. I don't see the near future though, he is what 30? He has 5 or so left in him.
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Old 02-13-07, 09:49 PM
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I voted no.

Simply because I thought the Spurs could package his expiring contract with another player (like Beno) to get a better player. Sure it cost them nothing, but I'm just disappointed because this deal now makes a bigger/better deal very UNLIKELY to happen now.
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Old 02-13-07, 10:10 PM
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In Oberto's defense, I feel like the refs have taken his game completely away. There's a lot of banging allowed in the games but when Oberto's on the floor he can't even lean on anyone. I think that this has made him hesitant and caused him to play with one hand behind his back, practically. Obviously though at this point, someone has to start kicking some ass and taking people to task this move of getting Ely may inspire both guys to play harder, or maybe Ely himself will provide a spark once he gets in some games.
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For entertainment purposes, the following is a post that got deleted made by some genius that shall remain anonymous, who got all riled up when people dared to suggest financial concerns were playing a big part in the Spurs' struggles to get something in return for Williams' expiring contract:
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Gotta love the armchair GM's. not only do they seem to know what other teams would or should take from the Spurs, they seem to also think they know why something hasnt been done. There was a report posted around here the other day that the Clippers were not even biting on Barry AND Beno. Yet Spur Fan claims it has to be the spurs just not wanting to make a deal and wanting to be cheap on the finances.

Now a team surely should would want to hand SA a player that could contribute for Eric Williams deal because armchair GM says they should. yet no one really hasnt any knowledge on what teams on the other end would seriously say to that offer. Its all a guess.

How people could claim to actually know any of this stuff is flat hilarious


Ouch. I hope it didn't hurt too bad falling off that high horse...
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I voted no.

Simply because I thought the Spurs could package his expiring contract with another player (like Beno) to get a better player. Sure it cost them nothing, but I'm just disappointed because this deal now makes a bigger/better deal very UNLIKELY to happen now.
A while ago I would have agreed, however I had already accepted -not without resignation- that it would be difficult for any significant deal to fall within the FO's financial plans, meaning they'd have to take back more money / larger contracts. So with that in mind, and fearing no moves at all would be made, I think this trade is somewhat of a reasonable compromise between the two. We're still a couple of moves away though: a long swingman who can defend 3s and 4s and rebound, and a half decent backup point guard. I expect a big guy to be traded, considering we have way too many right now in Elson, Oberto, Butler, Tim, Bonner, Horry and now Ely.
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I wouldn't say happy, but I guess its better than not making a move. I wish we could have picked up Sean May.
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Well, the two biggest problems that we have are defense and rebounding, Ely solves none except of course if he starts to play differently with the Spurs, which I doubt. May be, he can be a leader in the locker room because the Spurs need one right now, sorry but none of the big threes is.
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I voted no.

Simply because I thought the Spurs could package his expiring contract with another player (like Beno) to get a better player. Sure it cost them nothing, but I'm just disappointed because this deal now makes a bigger/better deal very UNLIKELY to happen now.

Agreeed totally.
I came here to write especially the same thing.
We could use Eric's expiring contract to get a rebounding SF. But now we have only Beno and Barry to trade.
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I wish we could have picked up Sean May.
May is a pipe dream. He is one of the young core of the Bobcats for the future.
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expiring contract for expiring contract, we payed the difference between them, we lose a bench player of no real significance and no potential help for us in the future, we get a talented frontcourt guy(albeit not too dedicated) who is young and athletic, with some inside scoring ability. elson like, but a better scorer inside.with 2 potential inside scorer's duncan can't be double teamed as easily(ely would destroy a 6'6'' guy who rotated, and defense improves under pop (barry, big dog etc). we give up a second, but that will be in the 50's anyway, and we have plenty of good euros stashed already with scola mahinmi javtokas etc.
ely is being given a trial, if he doesnt work out, his contract is expiring so it doesn't really matter.
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I don't see why anyone would even bother complaining about this deal. We're missing Eric Freaking Williams.

Eric Williams was meaningless to the Spurs on-court. So you give up a second round pick for Melvin Ely. Would you draft Melvin Ely in the second round...you most certainly would. I dont' see a problem with this. I don't think this is a season making trade, but it certainly does no harm.
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I voted no.
Not because I don´t like the trade, but it means Oberto is the odd man out now.
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We traded small for big.

We traded a player who had no prospect of playing for someone who can contribute today (low post scoring and 6 HARD fouls).

We traded for a player who will allow us to force people baseline again into help without fouling out Merlin.

Not an earth-shattering trade, but a minor upgrade -- I can't see why anyone would oppose it (aside from the Argentinians, of course)

No disrespect BUUUUUT...the amount of minutes Fabricio plays now ultimately hurts the Spurs. He's a 10-15 minute guy.
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What's not to like? Eric Williams was contributing nothing. We got a big. 2nd round draft choices are not a big deal. It's all good.
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What's not to like? Eric Williams was contributing nothing. We got a big. 2nd round draft choices are not a big deal. It's all good.
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We traded small for big.

We traded a player who had no prospect of playing for someone who can contribute today (low post scoring and 6 HARD fouls).

We traded for a player who will allow us to force people baseline again into help without fouling out Merlin.

Not an earth-shattering trade, but a minor upgrade -- I can't see why anyone would oppose it (aside from the Argentinians, of course)

No disrespect BUUUUUT...the amount of minutes Fabricio plays now ultimately hurts the Spurs. He's a 10-15 minute guy.
Read carefully. Eric Williams and his expiring contract about 5 million was a very nice bullet to be a big trade's part. We lost it.
We should look for a rebounding SF(not Maggette but same type player) who can make sudden imapct and Eric's contract could be used for it.
We have 1 more week to look for this option. After not finding a suitable guy for this position, we would do that trade in deadline.
We aren't criticizing trade head to head, just looking from wide perspective.
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No disrespect BUUUUUT...the amount of minutes Fabricio plays now ultimately hurts the Spurs. He's a 10-15 minute guy.
I know, I know...
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Do you know why Ely was benched. He couldnt rebound.


oh what a world.


The Spurs made no improvement here. Or any loss. I dare say it was pointless but maybe a new face will add something. I already know he wont be better than Elson or Oberto since he doesnt know the system and that never helps.
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i also could really care less..i mean what are the chances that he breaks into the rotation? not very good i think...well i will take a wait and see attitude..on another note..I"M SO GLAD THE SPURS REPORT IS BACK!!!!!!
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this guy is the answer?
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Agreeed totally.
I came here to write especially the same thing.
We could use Eric's expiring contract to get a rebounding SF. But now we have only Beno and Barry to trade.
Actually Ely frees up another big to trade along with Beno or Barry
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I am very happy with the Ely trade. Now I want us to get rid of that worthless piece of crap called Oberto. He does nothing for us other then make us worse on D. Trade him along with Barry and get us a young wing who can rebound!
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Hey ...

... what's wrong with Williams?
The Bobcats wanted him.
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... what's wrong with Williams?
The Bobcats wanted him.
That's kinda a stretch there..... it's not like he's gonna help them far into the playoffs
They basically got a 2009 2nd round draft pick in the trade
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we need kevin willis throwin bows
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I'm just glad we made a trade.
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