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Old 07-20-06, 05:39 PM
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Associated Press: Denver will let deadline pass on Elson

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2525437

I was amused by Nene saying he wanted to be like Karl Malone and Denver's player personnel director agreeing. The prospect of no championships in Denver for the Nene/Melo era sure will sell a lot of season tickets.
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Old 07-20-06, 05:40 PM
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This is good news in my book.
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Old 07-20-06, 05:41 PM
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Its not funny for Denver not that they have two big men with bad knees on the books for over $100 million
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Old 07-20-06, 05:42 PM
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Can we get the Hollinger numbers on this guy?
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Old 07-20-06, 05:43 PM
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Well, at least now we know. This should pretty much wrap up the offseason, save for the possibility of a trade involving Williams in mid-August.
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Old 07-20-06, 05:43 PM
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He'd better play better than he has so far in his career.
I don't think he'll be counted on to play better than his career.
You gotta fill the end of the bench, too.
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Old 07-20-06, 05:45 PM
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All the anticipation, the drama, the long days and now its appears to be over.

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Welcome aboard Elson, I hope he earns his money. But at least he can foul Dirk hard anytime he tries to drive to the rim.
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Old 07-20-06, 05:45 PM
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Well with this news I officially give this offeason a push as far as on the court production goes and an A for the accounting team.
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Old 07-20-06, 05:47 PM
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I guess we're set.
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Old 07-20-06, 05:47 PM
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So is fabi stuck on the end of the bench forever?
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Old 07-20-06, 05:52 PM
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So is fabi stuck on the end of the bench forever?
IF he can't beat Elson and Butler for at least a backup job he deserves to be on the end of the bench forever - better yet, to be on the trading block.
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Old 07-20-06, 05:56 PM
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"Starting at center for your San Antonio Spurs.......Fransico Elson?" Damn. Prove me wrong Elson.
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Old 07-20-06, 05:59 PM
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.....According to Amente the Spurs see him being announced in the starting lineup.
I hope it's Butler instead. I think Elson pretty much a end-of-the-bench guy now. I hope they're not counting on him playing more than a few minutes each night.
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Well I guess the Spurs have a new whipping boy...seems that has already been decided
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Old 07-20-06, 06:03 PM
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Unless Butler and Elson for a combo that works like Diop/Dampier, Elson WILL start over Butler. Butler is too raw, has no defense, to be starting for the Spurs. Elson has at least some expeirance at starting even if he isn't any better. Both would be better as back ups I think.
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Old 07-20-06, 06:04 PM
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Well I guess the Spurs have a new whipping boy...seems that has already been decided
He'll only be here for 2 years. Start whipping or you'll miss the chance!
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Old 07-20-06, 06:04 PM
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Its not funny for Denver not that they have two big men with bad knees on the books for over $100 million
I find it hilarious!
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Old 07-20-06, 06:05 PM
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This is good news in my book.
Good news in my book too. Did you read this part in the link?

"With Nene signed, the Nuggets had little reason to keep restricted free-agent center Francisco Elson. Denver was expected to let the deadline pass at midnight Thursday without matching San Antonio's two-year, $6 million offer to Elson, who proved invaluable when Nene was sidelined last season."

Hey, our troubles are over, he's invaluable
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Old 07-20-06, 06:16 PM
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4/4 is invaluable?
Hey, the article in the press said that, not me. I guess while Camby was out he must
have done better than 4/4. Tell you what, I'll admit he might not be the next Five-0, you cut the guy a little slack until maybe a month into the season.
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Old 07-20-06, 06:17 PM
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The guy hasn't even played a game yet and everyone's bashing him? I guess we found the new Rasho... I say give the guy a chance. The first time you see him on the receiving end of an alley-oop fast break from Manu or TP half of you in here will be eating crow.

Not only will he be counted on to play more than "a few minutes a night," he'll be our starting center.

Don't get me wrong, he's no David Robinson, but he's a faster, quicker version of Rasho, only he actually DUNKS the ball AND can hit from 15 feet too. Unlike Rasho & Nazr, he will actually see the floor against the Mavs and Suns too, because he has the speed to keep up with those teams. I'm pretty optimistic about how well he'll play next to Tim.

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Old 07-20-06, 06:22 PM
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I like Elson's size and toughness. Is he a great center? No. Is he passable as a 7-footer for $6 million/2 years? Absolutely.

The Spurs need the toughness we lacked with freaking Rasho/Nazr in there. It protects Tim from more foul trouble and finally makes people think twice about coming into the paint against the Spurs. Elson is capable of banging against the Shaq and Yao, and is capable of throwing downa nasty dunk here and there. We haven't had that since Kevin Willis, and Willis was too old to intimidate anyone.

I'm fine with this. It was obvious that the FO wasn't going to spend big or make any type of monumental move this summer, so this is okay.
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Old 07-20-06, 06:30 PM
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Good move. It's all about value in your role players when we have 3 big money guys. Since Koncak and Jim McIlvaine, bigs get overpaid so badly in the league. Good job with financial responsibility. We're not tied down if he flops, and any 7-foot veteran for 3 mil per year who can start, at least servicably start, is a good deal in my book. If the dominant player can't be had, don't overpay. Good move.
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Old 07-20-06, 06:34 PM
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Yeah, actually a guy measured at 7-0!
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Old 07-20-06, 06:40 PM
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7'-0" is over-rated
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I have no problem with Elson coming on board. Him and Butler should already know that both will be used depending on matchups. The phrase "starter" will only be what they're classified as depending on who the Spurs would be playing.

Now...just for thought...what if the goal in being able to get both of these players were to use one as trade bait in the near future?
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What's not overrated nowadays? :richb
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Old 07-20-06, 06:47 PM
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I have no problem with Elson coming on board. Him and Butler should already know that both will be used depending on matchups. The phrase "starter" will only be what they're classified as depending on who the Spurs would be playing.

Now...just for thought...what if the goal in being able to get both of these players were to use one as trade bait in the near future?
Possible, about the rade bait thing, but IMHO not likely. As stated earlier, the Spurs were looking for, shall we say 'inexpensive' help at center, and have accomplished that. I'd say that if the spurs determine that Elson/Butler aren't getting it done, then a trade will be pursued.
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Old 07-20-06, 06:54 PM
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Possible, about the rade bait thing, but IMHO not likely. As stated earlier, the Spurs were looking for, shall we say 'inexpensive' help at center, and have accomplished that. I'd say that if the spurs determine that Elson/Butler aren't getting it done, then a trade will be pursued.
One would hope that since the Spurs obviously have no plans for Williams that a trade is already being pursued.
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Old 07-20-06, 07:02 PM
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One would hope that since the Spurs obviously have no plans for Williams that a trade is already being pursued.
Could be. As I see it, the Spurs have what they need to start the season. I'm sure they'll pull the trigger on a trade involving EWill and maybe Barry if they feel it will make the team better. Maybe they'll give Melzer and the other newbie a little time to strut their stuff first.
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Isn't there a rule that you can't trade a player who signed a free agent contract with you for one calendar year? I know that was the case when we tried to trade Robinson to NJ for Jason Williams. Is that rule still in place?

Oops, meant Jayson Williams.

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This is good news in my book.
I agree.
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Isn't there a rule that you can't trade a player who signed a free agent contract with you for one calendar year? I know that was the case when we tried to trade Robinson to NJ for Jason Williams. Is that rule still in place?

Oops, meant Jayson Williams.
I think under the current CBA, they can be traded in mid-December.
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Also Thursday, the Nuggets had not reached a decision by early evening on whether or not by the midnight deadline to match the two-year, $6 million offer sheet restricted free-agent center Francisco Elson signed with San Antonio. And the Nuggets have agreed to terms on a two-year, $1.1 million contract for free-agent swingman Yakhouba Diawara.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...858322,00.html
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And the Nuggets have agreed to terms on a two-year, $1.1 million contract for free-agent swingman Yakhouba Diawara.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...858322,00.html
Sorry, but I wouldn't throw that kind of money at a guy named Yakhouba Diawara.
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maybe this impressed them...

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He's the guy from 'The Air Up There'
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The strangeness of his name far outweighs any stats he could put up...
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The strangeness of his name far outweighs any stats he could put up...
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Capable of banging against who?

Elson 7'0" 235 lbs.
Yao 7"6" 310 lbs.
Shaq 7'1" 325 lbs.

Cisco better stay out by Dirk (245 lbs. and bulking up more each season), stay away from Yao and Shaq. a man's gotta know his limitations...

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I like Elson's size and toughness. Is he a great center? No. Is he passable as a 7-footer for $6 million/2 years? Absolutely.

The Spurs need the toughness we lacked with freaking Rasho/Nazr in there. It protects Tim from more foul trouble and finally makes people think twice about coming into the paint against the Spurs. Elson is capable of banging against the Shaq and Yao, and is capable of throwing downa nasty dunk here and there. We haven't had that since Kevin Willis, and Willis was too old to intimidate anyone.
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Capable of banging against who?

Elson 7'0" 235 lbs.
Yao 7"6" 310 lbs.
Shaq 7'1" 325 lbs.

Cisco better stay out by Dirk (245 lbs. and bulking up more each season), stay away from Yao and Shaq. a man's gotta know his limitations...
How often will the Spurs see Miami? Twice. Houston? Four times. The rest of the League? 76 times....I think he'll do fine.
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How often will the Spurs see Miami? Twice. Houston? Four times. The rest of the League? 76 times....I think he'll do fine.
Miami, as many as 9 times ...
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imo rasho could have, along with tim, discouraged NOWITzki from driving lane to lay it up so often like he never did before those round 2 games. But i do understand that that dallas team had more slashers than just NOWITzki. I am not convinced Elson/Butler is the answer if Rasho/Nazr was the problem, nor am I convinced Rasho/Nazr was the problem in the first place (2006 63-19 with an hurting Tim foot). Play them in the POs POP!

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Yup.

Alltogether, I think the risk of putting Elson or Butler on Nowitzki and sticking to the Spurs gameplan, is a whole hell of a lot better than the risk of sticking Rasho or Nazr on Dirk, or the risk of leaving Rasho and Nazr on the bench and abandoning the Spurs gameplan.
You do realize that same scenario might happen again if the two teams met again in the playoffs.

Especially if Elson and Butler prove to be the same type of performers as Rasho and Nazr.



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I was amused by Nene saying he wanted to be like Karl Malone and Denver's player personnel director agreeing. The prospect of no championships in Denver for the Nene/Melo era sure will sell a lot of season tickets.
oh because a team cannot win a championship, fans shouldnt goto games? nene and melo wont win a title this year but they are young...
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