Brent Barry

[alidanis]

I was wondering if we were going to keep barry when the season begins, or if were still looking to trade him for a decent sf.

[scheely]

Well looking to trade, but prob be keeping him.
And I really don't mind, i like him. IMO

[BehaviorDisorder]

Originally Posted by JamesR

If a trade comes along that will help the Spurs, you're damn right he'll be traded (and this goes for everyone outside of Tim. And I'm not convinced that if Tim for LeBron came up that Pop wouldn't pull the trigger).

ooohhhhh.......you like to stir sh*t up dont you?

i guess its been kinda boring lately.

[Jason R]

You trade Tim Duncan it's almost equal to trading David Robinson. The repercussions go beyond simply basketball.

[BehaviorDisorder]

Originally Posted by JamesR

It would never, ever actually come up. Cleveland would riot, even if they got Tim/Manu or Tim/Tony.

BUT, just for fun, think about it. Tim has 6, MAYBE 7 years (and I'm being generous)....LeBron has a decade...until his in his PRIME (most people consider a ball players prime to be 28-32).

it would be too cruel to send tim duncan to cleveland ohio.

[Jason R]

I'd be the first to say if the Spurs traded Tim I'd leave the franchise behind me. I'd go with Tim.

[DizzG]

You never trade Duncan...ever. He will retire a Spur

[Hairyhandedgent]

They traded George Gervin.....

[DesignatedT]

Originally Posted by Jason R

I'd be the first to say if the Spurs traded Tim I'd leave the franchise behind me. I'd go with Tim.

agree...

[Amente]

Originally Posted by Jason R

You trade Tim Duncan it's almost equal to trading David Robinson. The repercussions go beyond simply basketball.

so true but then I remember how the Spurs were willing to let Robinson walk to NY
for nothing in return back in 2001.

[Derek Flint]

Originally Posted by Amente

so true but then I remember how the Spurs were willing to let Robinson walk to NY
for nothing in return back in 2001.

I think they were pulling a high-stakes bluff on that one.

[Amente]

Originally Posted by boo_radley

I think they were pulling a high-stakes bluff on that one.

Spurs and Pop lost that summer in talks with DRob.
And the Spurs weren't bluffing, they lowballed DRob for a reason.

[BURPDEXTER]

Originally Posted by Amente

Spurs and Pop lost that summer in talks with DRob.
And the Spurs weren't bluffing, they lowballed DRob for a reason.

I think they paid him just about what he was worth. Sentimental value is different than market value. And of course, market value is sometimes different than real value.

[Amente]

Originally Posted by BURPDEXTER

I think they paid him just about what he was worth. Sentimental value is different than market value. And of course, market value is sometimes different than real value.

I think most agree they ended up paying him what he was worth but he was initially lowballed by Pop and David fought back by giving the story to Buck at the Express and then the fans and especially ownership leaning on Pop to make sure David was brought back.


Come on people, this is an old and well-known story.

[kyleo]

I'm with James - in this day, anyone's expendable, given the right circumstances. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.

[spurssheriff]

Originally Posted by Amente

Come on people, this is an old and well-known story.

And further historical insight into how the F.O. works.

[PAJOE]

Originally Posted by Hairyhandedgent

They traded George Gervin.....

Gervin was never a Tim Duncan

[Dark Deity]

Originally Posted by Hairyhandedgent

They traded George Gervin.....

They traded George Gervin at the end of his career. He didn't even play a single game with the Chicago Bulls.

[Buzzsaw]

He played on the Bulls. He was there the year Jordan broke his foot. He played all 82 games and went for 16.2 per game.

[sammy]

Originally Posted by Jason R

I'd be the first to say if the Spurs traded Tim I'd leave the franchise behind me. I'd go with Tim.

Same here too! No way would we trade Tim for Lebron! What has Lebron accomplished?
Nothing! Tim in his second year won us a Championship!

[Hairyhandedgent]

Originally Posted by PAJOE

Gervin was never a Tim Duncan

Julius Erving called Gervin "The best offensive player I ever played against." And yes, Erving played against Michael Jordan. Without Gervin The Spurs would never have been an elite ABA franchise and included in the merger and this forum would therefore not exist. Those of us who saw the Spurs in that first year before the acquisition of Gervin wil tell you that when Ice came aboard it all changed, on the court, in the stands everything.

[LAsucksForever]

Originally Posted by PAJOE

Gervin was never a Tim Duncan

Wasn't Gervin also heavy into drugs by the point we traded him to Chicago, or did that come immediately afterwards?

[spurs7794]

This thread was originally about Barry?

I would keep Barry unless we are getting a younger version of a Bruce Bowen.

[DizzG]

Gervin was never a Tim Duncan

Gervin is one of the best players to ever play in the NBA. He is top 50 without any doubt. A NBA "Legend"

[Jason R]

Originally Posted by Amente

so true but then I remember how the Spurs were willing to let Robinson walk to NY
for nothing in return back in 2001.

Which is one of the reasons my loyalty to the Spurs only run so deep. I don't buy all this 'character' junk half the time. The men who make that team up, the Robinson's and Duncan's, posses the character. The rest of the organization is a business.

[fakemxcan]

at this stage in his career i dont think you trade duncan for anyone in the league. i mean lebron is a good player that hasnt acomplished anything yet and he has lots of potential, but what has he done? he is probably gonna be great tru, but i think at this point in time, wade is more valuable than lebron basketball wise. how many times have we seen wade hit a game winning shot? lebron only had a bunch of game winning layups against a hidious wizard defense that even bruce bowen would have gotten. i know this will probably get a lot of heat but every time i see a close situation for the cavs and lebron goes to the line he chockes. he always misses late free throws. that is something mj, kobe, wade and even DUNCAN dont do usually(duncan makes clutch free throws) so i try to not get too caught up in his hype and see him for the player that he is....a bigger version of gilbert arenas. maybe when he hits his prime it will be different but as far as im concerned duncan is the best player in the nba followed by kobe/wade

[curiousspirit]

Maybe we should change the title of this thread since most posters are talking about trading superstars vs role players.

I love Barry's game and hope he stays. However, I understand that he is the best trade bait we have -- except that it hasn't enticed anyone to deal with us.

[fakemxcan]

Originally Posted by curiousspirit

Maybe we should change the title of this thread since most posters are talking about trading superstars vs role players.

I love Barry's game and hope he stays. However, I understand that he is the best trade bait we have -- except that it hasn't enticed anyone to deal with us.

haha, ya i forgot there what this thread was about, ill say that i would like us to trade barry/ewill for some young atheltic small forward! that would be nice

[Cash IZ Clay]

Originally Posted by Amente

I think most agree they ended up paying him what he was worth but he was initially lowballed by Pop and David fought back by giving the story to Buck at the Express and then the fans and especially ownership leaning on Pop to make sure David was brought back.


Come on people, this is an old and well-known story.

I dont know if u can really say Pop lowballed D-Rob. The way I remember it, Pop gave D-Rob 3 different scenarios in an attempt to show Robinson that the less money he took the stronger the team would be. Robinson's agent didnt like any of the 3 proposals and brought up the fact that NY was willing to overpay Robinson for the last few years of his career, And Pop rightly figured that for that kind of money he might as well try to get a player that was in his prime (C-webb).

Of course we all know how it worked out, Webber turned the SPurs down and Pop gave Robinson an increased offer which he signed. I have no problem at all with how Pop handled the situation, even though Robinson has always been 1 of my favorite players, continued success for the franchise comes first.

[TRslick81]

yeah if pop coulda got webber drob would be long gone like it or not... hell if everything went pops way wed have c-webb and kidd in our starting5
everything happens for a reason

[fakemxcan]

Originally Posted by TRslick81

yeah if pop coulda got webber drob would be long gone like it or not... hell if everything went pops way wed have c-webb and kidd in our starting5
everything happens for a reason

id rather have Jermaine oneil!!! if larry bird woulnt have LIED to him about keeping isiah as the head coach, he would be a spur right now

[TRslick81]

i was praying for jermaine that year jo+td=future twin towers but he never really considered sa

[Amente]

Originally Posted by Cash IZ Clay

Of course we all know how it worked out, Webber turned the SPurs down and Pop gave Robinson an increased offer which he signed. I have no problem at all with how Pop handled the situation, even though Robinson has always been 1 of my favorite players, continued success for the franchise comes first.

Webber never had the chance to turn down anything.
Webber was just getting around to just contacting the Spurs when Holt and the rest of the ownership came down on Pop to make a deal with David.

In all of Pop's scenarios - as you call it - David either accepted a $2-$2.5 a year offer or retire. David made $14 million the year before. After all david did for the team and franchise financially you would think they could have paid him back just a bit at the end of his career.

BTW, it was Finley the Spurs wanted to sign that summer but he was the one that immediately said No to Pop. Webber became the next choice after that especially after David balked at their offer(s).

[Derek Flint]

Originally Posted by Cash IZ Clay

Pop rightly figured that for that kind of money he might as well try to get a player that was in his prime (C-webb)...

So how would Timmy and C-Webb worked on the floor together? Wouldn't that have been just like Timmy and Scola?

Back to Barry...

I do see him leaving along with E.Will, and maybe even Bonner (if the price is right). Whether this happens before the season starts, or at the trade deadline, all depends on what's out there.

[Jason R]

Originally Posted by Cash IZ Clay

I dont know if u can really say Pop lowballed D-Rob. The way I remember it, Pop gave D-Rob 3 different scenarios in an attempt to show Robinson that the less money he took the stronger the team would be. Robinson's agent didnt like any of the 3 proposals and brought up the fact that NY was willing to overpay Robinson for the last few years of his career, And Pop rightly figured that for that kind of money he might as well try to get a player that was in his prime (C-webb).

Of course we all know how it worked out, Webber turned the SPurs down and Pop gave Robinson an increased offer which he signed. I have no problem at all with how Pop handled the situation, even though Robinson has always been 1 of my favorite players, continued success for the franchise comes first.

Loyalty to the people who created your franchise is as valuable. It's not like Webber has even done much since then or done so greatly that it was worth what we risked.

[Amente]

Originally Posted by fakemxcan

id rather have Jermaine oneil!!! if larry bird woulnt have LIED to him about keeping isiah as the head coach, he would be a spur right now

BS.
No way was JLO gonna leave all those millions on the table by walking away from Indy.
And actually the big the Spurs were going after that summer after Kidd was E. Brand and not JLO.

[Derek Flint]

Originally Posted by Amente

In all of Pop's scenarios - as you call it - David either accepted a $2-$2.5 a year offer of retire...

I would have balked at that one too, I may not be much of a ball player, but I bet I've got enough hustle in me to get $2mil a year....Drob was worth way more than that those last two years.

[TRslick81]

didnt the spurs give brand and offer sheet???that was matched god what could have been!!!

[Amente]

Originally Posted by TRslick81

didnt the spurs give brand and offer sheet???that was matched god what could have been!!!

no, Miami signed Brand to an offer sheet which the Clips matched but...

both the Spurs and Miami made similiar poison-pill offers but Brand choose Miami over San Antonio. So he rejected the Spurs.

[TRslick81]

damn didnt quite remember it all too many drunken nights thnks

[Hec]

[Malice]

Originally Posted by Cash IZ Clay

I dont know if u can really say Pop lowballed D-Rob. The way I remember it, Pop gave D-Rob 3 different scenarios in an attempt to show Robinson that the less money he took the stronger the team would be. Robinson's agent didnt like any of the 3 proposals and brought up the fact that NY was willing to overpay Robinson for the last few years of his career, And Pop rightly figured that for that kind of money he might as well try to get a player that was in his prime (C-webb).


Of course we all know how it worked out, Webber turned the SPurs down and Pop gave Robinson an increased offer which he signed. I have no problem at all with how Pop handled the situation, even though Robinson has always been 1 of my favorite players, continued success for the franchise comes first.

I gotta say thats a great post man! Couldn't agree more.

[Cash IZ Clay]

Originally Posted by Amente

Webber never had the chance to turn down anything.
Webber was just getting around to just contacting the Spurs when Holt and the rest of the ownership came down on Pop to make a deal with David.

In all of Pop's scenarios - as you call it - David either accepted a $2-$2.5 a year offer or retire. David made $14 million the year before. After all david did for the team and franchise financially you would think they could have paid him back just a bit at the end of his career.

BTW, it was Finley the Spurs wanted to sign that summer but he was the one that immediately said No to Pop. Webber became the next choice after that especially after David balked at their offer(s).

Are u sure?? I seem to remember reading that Pop offered Robinson 3 different scenarios that each varied in dollar amount showing Robinson that the less money he took then the more flexibility the F.O. would have in picking up another impact F.A. I dont remember it being a 2.5 million take it or leave it offer..........And I do remember the Spurs going after Finley but I thought that was the D.A. summer but i believe u if say it was that summer.

[scheely]

Back to the supject......Barry is toast once any worthy, half a$$ deal is offered.

[fakemxcan]

Originally Posted by Nate From Ohio

Didn't J O'Neal say after the Pacers fired I. Thomas that if he would have known that the Pacers were going to fire I. Thomas he would have signed with San Antonio???

ya thats what i thought, i thought brand was a different year! but i could be wrong, i remember the spurs goin after brand and him flat out rejecting us, but oh well, he would have been an AMAZING addition, even better than JO IMHO, just because of the fact that he stays healthy.

[Amente]

Originally Posted by Nate From Ohio

Didn't J O'Neal say after the Pacers fired I. Thomas that if he would have known that the Pacers were going to fire I. Thomas he would have signed with San Antonio???

yeah, he did but that was hindsight. At the actual time, he never even gave the Spurs a chance and pretty much said no to other teams right away.

[Cash IZ Clay]

Originally Posted by Amente

yeah, he did but that was hindsight. At the actual time, he never even gave the Spurs a chance and pretty much said no to other teams right away.

Like someone said earlier, there was no way he was leaving all that extra money on the table by coming to the Spurs

[Falcone]

Originally Posted by Jason R

I'd be the first to say if the Spurs traded Tim I'd leave the franchise behind me. I'd go with Tim.

agree, especially since he stayed a Spur instead of going to the Magic a few years ago.

[fakemxcan]

Originally Posted by Nate From Ohio

I guess hind sight is always 20-20 huh?

word, specially after the whole ron artest fiasco

[spurs_believer]

Originally Posted by Cash IZ Clay

Like someone said earlier, there was no way he was leaving all that extra money on the table by coming to the Spurs

Ironically, that someone is Amente, who you are quoting.