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Old 07-12-06, 11:35 PM
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Elson, $9 million for three years (looks like denver not matching)

Anthony is committed to Nuggets

Carmelo Anthony signed a five-year contract extension worth about $79 million with the Nuggets on Wednesday. Anthony can opt out after the fourth year, although he said, "I don’t think I’m planning on using that."STORY TOOLS
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It was special day. So special that even Stan Kroenke took a seat at the dais.
Kroenke, the Nuggets owner who rarely speaks with the media, was on hand Wednesday as Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony was introduced as the owner of a contract extension.

The deal, worth about $79 million for five years, will begin in 2007-08.

"Carmelo showed the commitment," Kroenke said of his appearance sitting alongside Anthony and director of player personnel Mark Warkentien. "It was special to the team and to the city and the fans that Carmelo said early on, ‘I want to be here.’ So that’s special. It’s a little way of me paying him back."

There was some going back and forth before the first day of the signing period, but, in the end, Anthony got the contract that had been assumed all along.

Anthony can opt out after the fourth year, although he said, "I don’t think I’m planning on using that."

Anthony had looked into a three- year deal, with a fourth-year player option. That’s the way LeBron James of the Cleveland Cavaliers and Dwyane Wade of the Miami Heat went to possibly make more money in their next deals. But Anthony preferred the security of a longer contract.

"I was thinking about (the shorter deal)," said Anthony, who spoke with James. "I had to operate on it a little bit, but I just decided to take the other route. You never know what might happen. You got to think about the worst thing. ... It was a long day, but we got (the contract) done."

The news conference at the Pepsi Center to introduce Anthony was delayed a half-hour. Agent Calvin Andrews said language regarding insurance provisions, put in to protect Anthony’s family in event of his death, was tweaked.

While Anthony’s signing was good news for the Nuggets, other events weren’t. Guard Greg Buckner agreed to sign with the Dallas Mavericks and center Francisco Elson was said to have signed an offer sheet from the San Antonio Spurs that the Nuggets are expected to receive today and would have seven days to match.

Buckner’s deal starts at $3.2 million and will be worth $10.5 million for the first three years and $19 million for five years if he fulfills the life of the contract.

The Mavericks can buy out Buckner after the third year, and he has a player option for the fifth if he plays in the fourth.

"Dallas came up with an offer I thought was good for me and my family to go back to Dallas and enjoy our life and retire from the NBA in Dallas," said Buckner, who played for the Mavericks from 1999- 2002. "(The Nuggets) kind of got behind the eight ball. They spent a lot of money early in the summer. I kind of had the feeling I wasn’t going to be back."

The Nuggets have agreed to a six- year, $60 million contract for forward/center Nene, who will sign next week. Some have said the deal is excessive, but Kroenke said Nene is a "big, strong young guy" that "lots of teams" wanted.

Nuggets coach George Karl said the Mavericks "backed us into a corner" with the offer to Buckner. Karl said the Nuggets are "going to miss" Buckner.

Karl also sounded as if he’ll miss Elson, whose offer sheet is believed to be for about $9 million for three years.


Karl said Elson will be a "person that will have to be replaced, and it will be a difficult replacement." He said the offer sheet is "a dangerous number for us to match."

Warkentien, running basketball operations on an interim basis, would not speculate whether the Nuggets will match. Andrews, who also represents Elson, hopes they don’t.

"He would like to go to San Antonio," Andrews said.

Nene’s signing will give the Nuggets 10 players under contract for about $59 million. Kroenke was asked if he’s willing to pay the luxury tax, which this season will be $65.42 million.

"I think George gave a good answer last week," Kroenke said. "He said he thought that I’d be willing to spend into the luxury tax if he thought that it was the type of team that would get us (to a top level). ... We’ll have to see when we get to that point."

The Nuggets continue to look for a shooting guard. Karl said they will look at several options, ranging from a young player to a veteran.

Agent David Lee believes he has the answer. He said the Nuggets have inquired about his client, free agent Jumaine Jones, a 35 percent career three-point shooter whom he said would "solve their shooting needs."

Whatever the Nuggets do, Anthony figures to be kept in the loop. Negotiations included him getting more of a say in the team’s doings.

Kroenke appears ready to progress for a while with Warkentien as the point man. Karl said last month he expects Warkentien to continue next season in that role, and Kroenke, while not confirming that, didn’t exactly disagree.

"I feel very comfortable (with Warkentien)," Kroenke said. "I think we’ve been moving very well. ... We are happy with Mark. ...

We’re continuing to evaluate how we’re doing it."


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Old 07-12-06, 11:38 PM
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So if Elson and Butler both come, do they fight with Oberto for the starting job? Anyone think Elson has the advantage?
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Old 07-12-06, 11:40 PM
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they offered elson a 3/9 contract? isn't that like a million less per year than Scola wanted?

Oh my God, that's hilarious.
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wow either the spurs thought denve would match or they really like this guy but that is a pretty nice offer.I honestly thought hed get somewhere between 2.25-2.55 mil. neway
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Old 07-12-06, 11:41 PM
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Elson, Finley...all we need is Jason Terry, Chris Kaman and Maurice Evans an we'd have a "ball"club
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Didn't we already decide that it wasn't about money with Scola anymore and the Spurs just don't think he fits?
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Do they really think Denver would have matched Elson at $2M?
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Didn't we already decide that it wasn't about money with Scola anymore and the Spurs just don't think he fits?
Yes. the Spurs just didnt want Scola so there is no point in talking about comparable money

SA was never going to sign Scola
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I think that the Spurs offers were based partly on what they thought Denver and NY would think twice about before signing them. Karl said the 3 year 9 mill offer was a dangerous amount with regard to salary cap.
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SA was never going to sign Scola
Because they've been targeting Francisco Elson ALL SEASON.
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Yes. I'm talking about relative talent level.
Gotcha. And in that context a valid point. Not nearly as valid as with Javtokas though. If the Spurs had exhausted all options and Elson just happened to be the guy we ended up with I'd actually have been okay with it, but the way he was the Spurs #1 or #2 option makes me wonder if the FO is really smart or really dumb.
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only way denver matches is if they trade camby
then they might
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I think that the Spurs offers were based partly on what they thought Denver and NY would think twice about before signing them. Karl said the 3 year 9 mill offer was a dangerous amount with regard to salary cap.
I agree. There would be no point in signing someone to a sheet if it was an amount that would surely be matched. They must have thought Denver would match less

and Im not so sure NY will match Butler
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If we get both guys then, regardless what you think about the players, we will have yanked away 2 restricted free agents (which itself is rare) and the FO will have succeeded in pulling off what they put their minds to doing. You may disagree with the game plan, but you can't fault the execution if they pull this off.
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Denver ain't shopping Camby is they?
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So the Nuggets have Camby and Nene playing center now? They might not have a center by the All-Star Break.
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Pulled 2 RFAs, both filling needs, cutting our money committed at the position in half, and still have the rights to the fantastically awesomely best European players available to sign or use as part of trades in the future. And it sounds like the Spurs picked the numbers for the contracts to be at the point where matching is unlikely, but within their own comfort level.

Actually, the moves are stunning.

And we did get a decent backup point who is a decent floor general and plays defense.
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So the Nuggets have Camby and Nene playing center now? They might not have a center by the All-Star Break.
Why??? Because Kenyon might stab them in a fit of rage?
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Gotcha. And in that context a valid point. Not nearly as valid as with Javtokas though. If the Spurs had exhausted all options and Elson just happened to be the guy we ended up with I'd actually have been okay with it, but the way he was the Spurs #1 or #2 option makes me wonder if the FO is really smart or really dumb.

I agree.

friggin great.
They offered Elson more than Butler. Unbelievable.
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I agree.

friggin great.
They offered Elson more than Butler. Unbelievable.
That surprised me too. I thought Butler would be the guy the Spurs would go up to $3 mil on.
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I agree.

friggin great.
They offered Elson more than Butler. Unbelievable.
It will only piss me off if the Knicks match...
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if the Spurs get both guys and with having been able to get rid of Rasho this offseason

I dont think it will be a bad deal

getting two restricted FA's would be unusual. Elson is not that exciting but I really do think Butler has promise. Larry Brown sure liked him. That has to say something more than our fan opinions.
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Thing is they hav ebeen able to get Collins for a little less than Elson and with no waiting period since he is unrestricted.

Crap, Jak may have been had for 3 years and $9 million.
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One could only pray that the hand of friendship and $$$$$$ could be extended to Jak in that case.
He would need to have heavenly powers of forgiveness for that to happen. If he has any ego he's already looking for a nice bachelor loft in downtown Athens.
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So the Nuggets have Camby and Nene playing center now? They might not have a center by the All-Star Break.
lol the Nugs could be a lottery team this season cause injuries alone
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who cares if they suck

butler has upside atleast
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who cares if they suck

butler has upside atleast

gawd, I would hope the Spurs FO care if they suk or not.
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I mean getting 2 unrestricted fa's is awesome if they are great players

butler is ok
elson needs work ASP with chip who saw him in denver
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i think you misunderstand him.
Yes, I think they did misunderstand me...

My point was that the FO will have executed their vision very successfully if both deals go through. One can argue whether their vision is flawed but still marvel at the execution.
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they offered elson a 3/9 contract? isn't that like a million less per year than Scola wanted?

I bet that third year is a TEAM option. still 3 mil a year?

he better not SUCK
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But if thats who they wanted all along they had better freaking EXPLODE in 06/07.
Because of his youth I'll give Butler a little more time to develop than Elson. But, Paco Elson better be ready to ball next season.
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The Spurs divided their $5.2 million midlevel exception between the two centers. Butler signed a three-year, $7 million offer sheet, while Elson received a two-year deal for close to $6 million.
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ludden saying 2 year deal
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could be a player option on the third year though
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Gotcha. And in that context a valid point. Not nearly as valid as with Javtokas though. If the Spurs had exhausted all options and Elson just happened to be the guy we ended up with I'd actually have been okay with it, but the way he was the Spurs #1 or #2 option makes me wonder if the FO is really smart or really dumb.
#1 or #2 option? What would we call Pryz and Zo then, didnt the spurs try to get these guys first.
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I would guess the Knicks match on Butler and the Nuggets let Elson go.
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only way denver matches is if they trade camby
then they might
They are willin got get on their knees to get Martin out of there.
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Its wonderful execution if they wanted Elson and Butler all along. But if thats who they wanted all along they had better freaking EXPLODE in 06/07.
IMPLODE is more like it.
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#1 or #2 option? What would we call Pryz and Zo then, didnt the spurs try to get these guys first.
You're right they did. I should have been more clear. The point I was trying to make was that even with those guys off the table there were still others out there who I would have preferred to see the Spurs go after before Elson, namely Javtokas.
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Here is what a Nuggets fan said about Elson from a Denver Broncos site I frequent:

"On a good night, he can be a serviceable big man who can grab some rebounds for you. On a bad night, he's a foul machine who'll be headed back to the bench just as fast as he got off of it. He shows flashes sometimes that make you think that he could be a pretty decent player and then will wash those away by showing a serious lack of basketball IQ. He's tall with long arms, but can be awfully clumsy. Could be a solid bench guy if he ever lives up to his potential.

The most noteworthy thing he's done in his time in Denver was during the '04 playoffs when he called Kevin Garnett "gay."
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Crap, Jak may have been had for 3 years and $9 million.
well, if it makes you feel any better, according to the latest up-to-date euro-to-dollar conversion, I believe next year Javtokas is getting 1.9 million in Greece

edit, correction, no bonus according to accounts from a euro forum

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Comeon guys the FO must know something about Elson that we don't know! Never doubt the FO!
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Comeon guys the FO must know something about Elson that we don't know! Never doubt the FO!
I heard that the Spurs were looking for a 'Carl Herrera' type to come in next to Duncan, kind of like how Herrera teamed up with Robinson for those rings in the pre-Duncan era.
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oops, sorry, no bonus, just the flat 1.9 for 1 year.
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So if Elson and Butler both come, do they fight with Oberto for the starting job? Anyone think Elson has the advantage?
There's no way Oberto starts.
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3 mill a year for Elson.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Old 07-13-06, 01:53 PM
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I mean, he cant be any worse than Rasho and I think the Spurs are looking for someone to fill that void for 15-20 mins a game and coming at a reasonable price, which for a center w/ those type of contributions, $3 million per is ideal versus what Nazr is going to make and how much they were spending for Rasho.

Come to think of it, I dont mind him coming on board as long as he plays hard and does what he is expected too do - which is take to up space, hit the occasional J and rebound w/ aggression. He seems to fit that mold.
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Because of his youth I'll give Butler a little more time to develop than Elson. But, Paco Elson better be ready to ball next season.
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I'm not angered by Elson being a Spur....I'm angry over the Spurs seemingly picking Elson over Javtokas for around the same dollar amount.

Just wait until Elson is an All-Star this year ...


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We will STILL have the rights to Jav and Scola...

Plus, Elson, and Butler will be tradable. Scola and Jav may have been less tradable after this year if they were to not pan out.

If you think about it (hard), the FO landed four big men instead of just two.

The only problem is we won't see Jav or Scola play THIS year.

We will have another shot at getting them next year or trading their rights.

I don't have much problem with these moves.

Should we land Butler AND Elson, then that is four big men we cant trade.

Elson, Butler, rights to Scola, and rights to Jav.

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Should we land Butler AND Elson, then that is four big men we cant trade
^^^sorry,....CAN trade
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Old 07-13-06, 02:10 PM
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^^^sorry,....CAN trade
I think he means right away.
Which is correct.
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