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Old 07-12-06, 02:47 PM
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Who the hell is Jackie Butler anyway?

I know everyone is pissed right now, but I really would like to know why the Spurs would want this guy instead. Some deeper info than NBA.com profile anyone?
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Old 07-12-06, 02:53 PM
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Think Robert "Tractor" Traylor but younger.
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Old 07-12-06, 02:54 PM
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uh didnt robert tractor traylor suck???
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Old 07-12-06, 02:56 PM
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uh didnt robert tractor traylor suck???
That would be a correct assumption, yes.
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uh didnt robert tractor traylor suck???

yes he did.
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uh didnt robert tractor traylor suck???

uh yep.
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Old 07-12-06, 02:57 PM
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Tractor Traylor? Woo why would we want that kind of player? Think Rasho wasn't slow enough?
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great im thrilled
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Old 07-12-06, 02:59 PM
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He's young, he hustles, he's shown some talent.

He's from the CBA, hasn't proven he can start, played well for a dismal Knicks team, fouls a lot, might have a weight problem.
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Had 7 offensive boards when they played us here last February. Also a 75% free-throw shooter. But he's the most prolific foul machine this side of Keith Van Horn or Danny Fortson.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jackie_butler/index.html

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Old 07-12-06, 03:04 PM
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He's young, he hustles, he's shown some talent.

He's from the CBA, hasn't proven he can start, played well for a dismal Knicks team, fouls a lot, might have a weight problem.
Sweet. Sounds like starter material to me...
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Old 07-12-06, 03:08 PM
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Had 7 offensive boards when they played us here last February. Also a 75% free-throw shooter. But he's the most prolific foul machine this side of Keith Van Horn or Danny Fortson.
Actually, it looks like Elson is a more prolific foul machine.
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Old 07-12-06, 03:11 PM
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Also went straight to the pros after attending what appears to be one of those diploma mills for the AAU kids who are under the influence of the shoe companies.
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Old 07-12-06, 03:13 PM
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He's much better than Javtokas.

What? You've got a better explaination why the Spurs are doing this?




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Old 07-12-06, 03:13 PM
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Also went straight to the pros after attending what appears to be one of those diploma mills for the AAU kids who are under the influence of the shoe companies.
As long as he's good I don't care if he's from some hell hole. But it seems that he's not.
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Old 07-12-06, 03:15 PM
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His age is very promising. He's not 22 until March.

He could be the plug-in at Center for a long time. Of course, I guess he'll have to be.
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no reason to panic b/c if you think about it, we traded and got rid of two high priced scrubs and are picking up two cheap scrubs. i don't think we're any worse off. what we didn't do was improve, but who would we get? Javtokas would have been a nice pickup, but he would be a rookie and if you think back, manu was good, but also kind of out of control his first year (still good though). Javtokas would probably need a year to groom correctly and why bring him into a pressure packed situation? manu and sjax complemented each other perfectly his first year...javtokas wouldn't have that luxury...anyway, i don't think the spurs got worse, if anything, they should be tougher in the middle. i think we need someone with the toughness of an Mario Elie, Kevin Willis, ...heck even Perdue. We need some guys with a mean streak...i think the spurs need some bodies to play physical against thugs...think of Dallas just pushing us around and no one pushing back...that bothered me alot...we need a thug...Jbut or Eli might just be those cheap thugs we need in the middle... a little rebounding, block shots and 6 fouls...hehehe...i'm sure the FO guys have a plan, although we might be down to plan aaaxxxxyyyyzzzzz999999....hehehehe
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Old 07-12-06, 03:16 PM
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everybody relax! the team isnt going to be in the lottery next year because of no javtokas! if you still think that the FO is so great, then why won't they get a decent starter now?
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Old 07-12-06, 03:21 PM
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From NBAdraft.com (two years old)

NBA Comparison: Antonio Davis

Strength: A real physical specimen at the tender age of 19. Has slimed down and built muscle. His strength allows him to put himself wherever he wants in the post.. Has great hands downlow and anything that goes his way he gets ahold of. His post game is developing, if he can improve in this area, he's got a chance to be a 12 year NBA player. Very athletic and gets down the court pretty well for a big man when he wants to. Looks like a young Elton Brand the way he hits the offensive boards and finds position for rebounds. His huge wingspan (7 foot) makes him a bigger player than he is.

Weaknesses: Post game is still very raw and needs work. In high school he could use his strength to get whenever he needed to (that won't be the case in the NBA). Footwork also needs improvement.... Could have done himself some good by going to college however he should still be drafted. At times he's very inconsistent and lazy on defense, especially in transition. Needs to work harder and get into better shape.

Note: He is 19 years old, he attended a prep school for 1 year.

-Rob Salvador (Draftcamp warrior) -- 6/16/04

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Butler is a physical monster standing 6-9, 255 pounds but he doesn’t use it to his advantage. He is extremely slow and doesn’t pick up his feet when going back in transition. He is inconsistent on defense as well. Memo to Jackie: Plant yourself on the block, hit the weights, and get some elevation. If he does that, then we will be talking about a force.

To Butler’s credit, he does show flashes of brilliance. He knows he’s bigger than everyone at the high school level. But the SEC is a different story. When he attends Mississippi State, he’ll have an opportunity to play on a good team with promising players and in a conference that produces good power forwards. The future is ultimately in Butler’s hands.

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Old 07-12-06, 03:32 PM
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butler sounds like a straight project mayb could have a future but it looks like the knicks wont hesitate to match
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Old 07-12-06, 03:33 PM
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I looked at Butler and Elson's stats, please pass on these two clowns...
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Old 07-12-06, 03:37 PM
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I would say think Oliver Miller during his early Phoenix suns days when he was chubby but not fat and was a solid player. I think that would be the most accurate comparison.
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Old 07-12-06, 03:38 PM
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ALL: ESPN TAKE ON BUTLER- ONE OF TOP 25 FREE AGENTS THIS YEAR!!

19. Jackie Butler, Knicks (restricted)
For whatever it's worth, Larry Brown liked him a whole lot more than he liked Eddy Curry. The Cavs like him, and they're looking for someone to be ready to step in behind Zydrunas Ilgauskas. With New York committed to Curry and Jerome James, the Knicks might not match anything long-term.
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Old 07-12-06, 03:46 PM
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if he could pass like FAT miller id be thrilled
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Old 07-12-06, 03:49 PM
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Francisco Elson was #1 on the FA list, right?
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Old 07-12-06, 03:51 PM
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Francisco Elson was #1 on the FA list, right?
Absolutely. There is that small detail about the list coming from Francisco Elson, but yes, he was indeed the #1 guy on it.
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Old 07-12-06, 03:53 PM
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His highlight reel on youtube is hilariously short...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQJI0...ackie%20butler
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well atleast we know he can dunk
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"Jackie Butler is a Knicks player whose offer sheet will shortly be matched by his team, leaving the San Antonio Spurs with Francisco Elson as their sole remaining center option."
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"Jackie Butler is a Knicks player whose offer sheet will shortly be matched by his team, leaving the San Antonio Spurs with Francisco Elson as their sole remaining center option."
Well, cant say Im surprised. I expected at the least having an inexperienced euro playing the center spot this year...just never thought we'd be talking about Elson as a starter. Good lord I think he might be the worst starting center in the league if that happens!
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well atleast we know he can dunk
If he signs, then people can rave about his good hands, I guess.
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I know ESPN was high on him because he was the only player on the Knicks with a positive efficiency rating.
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might have a weight problem.
yeah, he and Curry built quite an impressive tandem of OTs.
they just confused the sport they play.
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al, don't forget Jerome James. James and Curry made Jackie Butler look like a svelte swan gliding on a pond.
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Absolutely. There is that small detail about the list coming from Francisco Elson, but yes, he was indeed the #1 guy on it.
thats why it's called FE list.
GM RC just confused it.

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al, don't forget Jerome James. James and Curry made Jackie Butler look like a svelte swan gliding on a pond.
yes, he looked almost anorexic.
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Old 07-12-06, 05:11 PM
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I know everyone is pissed right now, but I really would like to know why the Spurs would want this guy instead. Some deeper info than NBA.com profile anyone?
Tractor Traylor was only about 6'8" at best and much less upside then this kid. Not a good comparison.
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Old 07-12-06, 05:31 PM
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Tractor Traylor was only about 6'8" at best and much less upside then this kid. Not a good comparison.
at least someone thought Traylor has enough upside to trade him for a guy named Dirk.
btw. how old was traylor back then? ah, 21. maybe Bucks should have asked you for an upside scan. you seem to know this things.
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Old 07-12-06, 05:58 PM
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Tractor Traylor was only about 6'8" at best and much less upside then this kid. Not a good comparison.
Are you kidding me?

Robert 'Tractor' Traylor was drafted no. 6 overall. Butler went undrafted. And you say he was considered to have much less upside?

Un-freaking-believable.
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everybody relax! the team isnt going to be in the lottery next year because of no javtokas! if you still think that the FO is so great, then why won't they get a decent starter now?
No we wont be in the lottery but we may not win the Championship and thats all that matters.
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or they may win the title next year for all we know

no one knows

The Spurs go into EVERY season with no guarantee of winning a title
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well if the spurs dont win another one in the next 2 yrs it isnt going to happen for a while.
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I kinda like Jackie. I wanted the Pacers to pick him up for third string center.
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I kinda like Jackie. I wanted the Pacers to pick him up for third string center.
Good he might be our starting Center.
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I kinda like Jackie. I wanted the Pacers to pick him up for third string center.
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Well he could possbily be a good backup this year. I just didn't want him sharing the main minutes with Harrison, as Harrison is still developing and needs a vet to play with.

But the Pacers aren't gonna get Jackie so it doesn't really matter
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Old 07-12-06, 06:54 PM
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well if the spurs dont win another one in the next 2 yrs it isnt going to happen for a while.
Actually, two years from now is when the Spurs are loading up to make a run at someone in free agency who can help win a title. That is when all the contracts except for the big 3 come off the books. Depending on how it plays out with Pop and RC, two years from now may be our best chance.
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Jackie might be good someday. He can be the 13th or 14th man and if he improves his game by learning from Pop and Timmy, great. He may also make decent trade bait.
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