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Old 06-17-06, 06:59 AM
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DRAFT. athletic testing numbers and measurements. very interesting numbers!

measurements: http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1348

athletic testing: http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1352

i just post the link, because this are to many numbers to post them all.
IMO there are some quite interesting and also surprising numbers (especially the athletic testing results)
it shows that some players that have been labeled super athletes are not that impressive at all and others, labeled as not so good athlets, are quite impressive (for example Jordan Farmer, the 6'2'' PG, who had a vertical leap of 42'' , better than all the supermen like Gay, Thomas and Roy!!!!!!
and he sprinted with the best! and this guy was sometimes labeled as not athletic enough for a good NBA player )

Ronnie Brewer was expected to be a great athlete, but he was even better. second overall and much better than for example Gay and even Carney, who was often said to be the best athlete in the draft.

and the athletic sensation was David Noel, the 6'6'' SF of North Carolina, who leads the overall ranking by far.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player...playerId=11874
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=455

up to now he was expected to go undrafted, but as a defensive specialist with this athletic ability, who had decent numbers for NC last season, the Spurs should take a look at him.
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Old 06-17-06, 07:07 AM
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When Robertas Javtokas was drafted before the accident he had a 40 inch vertical. It doesnt look like hes lost much of it. Just throwing that out there for comparison. Thanks for finding the great link!
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Old 06-17-06, 07:32 AM
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Saer Sene.... 6'11" but standing reach of 9'5" and wingspan of 7'8"!
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When Robertas Javtokas was drafted before the accident he had a 40 inch vertical. It doesnt look like hes lost much of it. Just throwing that out there for comparison. Thanks for finding the great link!
welcome.

in the first moment i was afraid you start another "Javtokas has a 400 inch vertical" thread

and you are right, they said he jumped 40'', which would be unbeliveable for such a big 250+ guy. but maybe this was a little bit exaggerated.
but indeed, Javtokas has a quite impressive leap.
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Old 06-17-06, 07:58 AM
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welcome.

in the first moment i was afraid you start another "Javtokas has a 400 inch vertical" thread

and you are right, they said he jumped 40'', which would be unbeliveable for such a big 250+ guy. but maybe this was a little bit exaggerated.
but indeed, Javtokas has a quite impressive leap.
I don't think it was an exaggeration. He wasn't 250+ when he jumped that, I believe.

It is said that he dunked on an 11'8" high basket at age 18.

Working backwards, he'll need about 10" of reach above 11'8" to dunk a ball at that height, so that means he can reach around 12'6" at max elevation.

Deduct away 40" vertical leap will give a standing reach of 9'2". I don't think his arms are actually that long, so perhaps his vertical leap was actually MORE than 40" at age 18.

Ok ok back to the draftees!
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I don't think it was an exaggeration. He wasn't 250+ when he jumped that, I believe.

It is said that he dunked on an 11'8" high basket at age 18.

Working backwards, he'll need about 10" of reach above 11'8" to dunk a ball at that height, so that means he can reach around 12'6" at max elevation.

Deduct away 40" vertical leap will give a standing reach of 9'2". I don't think his arms are actually that long, so perhaps his vertical leap was actually MORE than 40" at age 18.

Ok ok back to the draftees!
wow, that's quite a CSI-like chain of evidence.

because it's in our deepest interest, that your calculation is right, i just confirm.
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Old 06-17-06, 09:11 AM
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I don't think it was an exaggeration. He wasn't 250+ when he jumped that, I believe.

It is said that he dunked on an 11'8" high basket at age 18.

Working backwards, he'll need about 10" of reach above 11'8" to dunk a ball at that height, so that means he can reach around 12'6" at max elevation.

Deduct away 40" vertical leap will give a standing reach of 9'2". I don't think his arms are actually that long, so perhaps his vertical leap was actually MORE than 40" at age 18.

Ok ok back to the draftees!
i thought once u can touch rim you need about 3 more inches to be able to dunk?
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i thought once u can touch rim you need about 3 more inches to be able to dunk?
That would be true if the ball you use is 3 inches in diameter.
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That would be true if the ball you use is 3 inches in diameter.
hm weird thats what ive always heard

10 inches above the rim seems like quite a bit though. i feel like ive seen a lot of players not get nearly that high above the rim with their hand and still dunk it. but eh what do i know.

also grip on the ball definitely has a lot to do with the ability to dunk. i have a couple of friends who would be able to dunk but they cant palm the ball at all. they always barely miss it.

oh and like hux said earlier, back to the draftees

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i think the measurements of the wingspan are quite interesting, especially the difference between hight and wingspan. we ofteen hear that because of his long arms a player can play "bigger" or is a good defender, but some of that differences are astonishing.

usually the wingspan is +3 to +5 inches of the height (without shoes).
IMO if it's more than 5'' we can talk about "long arms".

Gay and Tyrus Thomas are impressive with +8''
Eric Williams and Sheldon Williams have +9''
Sane and Killingsworth have +9.5''

but Antywane Robinson, the 6'6'' SF of Temple has +10.5''

i found a picture of him: (obviously it wasn't possible to get both arms on the picture )

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Old 06-17-06, 12:07 PM
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i think the measurements of the wingspan are quite interesting, especially the difference between hight and wingspan. we ofteen hear that because of his long arms a player can play "bigger" or is a good defender, but some of that differences are astonishing.

usually the wingspan is +3 to +5 inches of the height (without shoes).
IMO if it's more than 5'' we can talk about "long arms".

Gay and Tyrus Thomas are impressive with +8''
Eric Williams and Sheldon Williams have +9''
Sane and Killingsworth have +9.5''

but Antywane Robinson, the 6'6'' SF of Temple has +10.5''
Kevin Willis would have looked like a T-Rex standing next to some of these guys!
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Since the spurs are always obssessed with finding a backup PG. This guy Carl Krauser seems intriguing. He's 5'11 but has a 6'6 wingspan and 8'1 reach. By reading his profile he could possibly be a Lindsey Hunter type of player. I don't really follow college basketball toomuch to know much about this guy but I think his age might hurt his position in the draft since he's 25. He seems like an intriguing prospect. Here is his profile http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=66
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Old 06-17-06, 05:11 PM
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This is totally unrelated, but is anyone else suprised by the lack of strenght by LaMarcus Aldrige. The guy is 6-11 235 and can only rep 185 8 times. That really suprised me.
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Old 06-17-06, 07:38 PM
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How bout David Noel for a BB replacement? He is supposed to be coachable, a tough defender, and a freak athlete. They have him going undrafted. Why? His offense can't be that bad, he shot a high percentage from the field.

Noel's College stats:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player...playerId=11874

-also here is a Javtokas 40 inch vertical link:

http://www.nba.com/draft2001/teams/o...av=ArticleList

Marty Blake is the NBA's director of scouting.
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Old 06-18-06, 07:03 AM
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i like this guy: Renaldo Balkman

he's compared to Rodman with a better attitude. Outlook is mid to late 2nd round.

can't tell if he's the roght player, but i somehow like the look of this guy. IMHO this guy is cool.








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Old 06-18-06, 07:21 AM
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This is totally unrelated, but is anyone else suprised by the lack of strenght by LaMarcus Aldrige. The guy is 6-11 235 and can only rep 185 8 times. That really suprised me.
He had trouble against Glen "Big Baby" Davis in the Tournament too, he couldn't get anywhere near where he wanted to (he was 2-14 in that game). Of course I don't know if he'll be going against many 6'9 320 lb PFs in the pros. Wonder what kind of post position he would get against Larry Allen who is an expert at pushing people off the block (aka line of scrimmage) and has benched 225lbs over 40 times several times in the past. He'd be posting up by the scorer's table.
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Old 06-18-06, 07:30 AM
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This is totally unrelated, but is anyone else suprised by the lack of strenght by LaMarcus Aldrige. The guy is 6-11 235 and can only rep 185 8 times. That really suprised me.
it's often mentioned that Aldrige has to get much stronger if he wants to compete in the nba, but there is another number that makes me wonder:
Aldrige was also one of the slowest players (PFs and C) with a bad agility number.
usually those top prospect bigs, who lack strength can compensate with quickness and agility. i wonder if the stock of Aldrige will drop because of his bad athletic testings.
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I'd like to see the spurs pick up Noel as well, if he can just be close to the defender Bowen is it would be an awesome pickup. I wonder why his draft stock is so low, his numbers are decent especially his rebounding, and he's coming out of a great program.
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Old 06-18-06, 07:51 PM
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Saer Sene.... 6'11" but standing reach of 9'5" and wingspan of 7'8"!
if he tiptoes he'll almost touch the rim!
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Farmar is staying in the draft, think he'll fall to the spurs in the first round as well?
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Old 06-19-06, 03:35 AM
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Farmar is staying in the draft, think he'll fall to the spurs in the first round as well?
?? Spurs don't have a first rounder this year.
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my bad, I just assumed they had one.
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