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Old 05-28-06, 05:27 PM
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adding fuel to fire - NBA admits screw up on a game 4 call in the Spurs/Mavs series

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb..._force/?page=3

So besides the Manu game 7 brain f*rt, TD & Manu fouling out in games 3 & 4 now comes another official NBA officiating goofed up as if the off season hasn't been long enough for Spurs fans already. Vent on!

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Old 05-28-06, 05:31 PM
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That is ridiculous. That play shifting momentum to the Mavs in a huge way.
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Fresh from the Too Little, Too Late Dept. comes word that the NBA rescinded the technical foul against San Antonio's Michael Finley in the second quarter of Game 4 in Dallas. Finley was called for a technical with 4:44 remaining in the half, and it appeared to be borderline at best. ``You can imagine what I wanted to say when I heard that," said Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, who found out about the decision Thursday. ``Does that mean we win the game by 1 point?" Game 4, which was played May 15, went into overtime, and the Mavericks prevailed, 123-118, so the technical was huge. (Dirk Nowitzki made the free throw.) For Finley, it means he won't have to fork over $1,000 to the league. For the Spurs, it means yet another tough break in a series they just as easily could have won.
The league rescinded the Tech on Finley after the fact. If it had not been called in the first place, the Spurs would have won and the game would never have gone to overtime. Another outcome changed by the refs.
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Thats crazy!!!!
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Dear NBA refs,

Thanks for ruining my Memorial Day weekend.
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Old 05-28-06, 06:37 PM
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The Mavs recieved far too many lucky breaks from the refs.. thats why they wont even advance to the NBA Finals this year.
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Four days after the fact, Manu Ginobili was still upset over his foul on Nowitzki late in Game 7 of the Spurs-Mavericks series. Popovich and his wife planned to take Ginobili and his wife out to dinner Friday so the coach could remind Ginobili just how important he has been to the Spurs' success. ``We want to let him know how great he is, and we'd have two less championships if he hadn't been here," Popovich said. ``He has been so despondent for a while because he is so tough on himself. You want to treat him like he was your son." The Spurs were leading by 3 when Nowitzki drove to the hoop late in Game 7. Popovich had told his team not to foul, to prevent a 3-point play, but Ginobili went for the block, missed, and Nowitzki's 3-point play enabled the Mavs to tie a game they eventually would win in overtime. ``Manu is the most competitive player that I've ever been around," Popovich said. ``He comes up with a lot of plays that help you win." That was said well before Game 7. But those are words Popovich still stands by
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#@%#$^ rediculous
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Old 05-28-06, 08:22 PM
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This is ******* insane

to admit this now makes it worse

SA prob would have won that game then. ****
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Well, would you rather have the NBA remain silent?

Everyone knew that technical was bogus.
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Old 05-28-06, 08:44 PM
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The NBA: worst officiated major sport. It's not even close. It makes me furious to think about this while the Suns and Mavs play.
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It really makes you wonder....I am sitting here shaking my head knowing the best team in the NBA isn't still playing. I just don't get it.

Again...in order to win, the Spurs had to play perfect basketball.
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It really makes you wonder....I am sitting here shaking my head knowing the best team in the NBA isn't still playing. I just don't get it.

Again...in order to win, the Spurs had to play perfect basketball.
It's an aggravating standard that small-market teams in the NBA are often held to. And we were so close to overcoming all of it.
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Well, would you rather have the NBA remain silent?

Everyone knew that technical was bogus.
Remaining silent would have been understood...coming out over a week later is crap. Yeah, everyone knows that technical was bogus. But not everyone is in agreement that the better team won the series.

Coming out this late to say, "whoops...we made a mistake" is sick. It's like a kick in the gut...we're already down, NBA got their way. Is it their way of showing how powerful they are???
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The NBA does this type of thing (admit ref mistakes) just so it doesn't have to do anything about the quality of refereeing in the league. Any time fans, coaches, players, whoever, complain about the state of the officiating, the NBA can just say it knows there are some problems, they even admit them, but end up doing absolutely nothing to alievate them. Admit mistakes and you look like a good guy and casual fans might assume something is being done to stop mistakes from happening, but it's really just a cover.

For those who are familiar with the NBA's MO, it's just more of the same. And I find this particular one sickening--Spurs fans are (perhaps) watching the Mavs in the WCF and the NBA kicks us in the gut again (the first kicks were delivered by the refs) as if to say "Remember, your boring team isn't in the playoffs anymore when they probably should still be playing!".

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I wish instead of doing this crap of saying yeah we admit the ref screwed up but tough luck anyways that they would fire these refs for major fvckups. The NFL has a 0 tolerance policy when it comes to thsi crap. In the NFL you make a major mistake as a ref you are fired the next day there is no second chances. I would like to see the NBA take that route but I doubt they would ever do that.
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Old 05-28-06, 10:52 PM
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In a related story the NBA has disallowed the final shot by Derek Fisher in game 5 of the conference semifinals of the 03/04 playoffs.
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The NBA is turning to crap, poor marketing, no control over the officiating, obvious indifference to the voice of fans of small market teams. It's no wonder the NFL maintains more popularity.
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Old 05-28-06, 10:55 PM
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wow, Dallas just got another huge call - 24sec violation not called!
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Dallas is getting all the calls

just sick
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Why does Steve Javie still have a job? He is clearly the worst official in the NBA.
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Dallas is getting all the calls

just sick
here we go again...free ticket to the NBA Finals
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Van Horn got away with a travel as well.
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Not to mention the "phantom foul" in game 4. No way Bowen fouled Dirk, he barely even touched him. Like I told me Mavs friends, I can live with the Mavs making a shot to win the game, not the refs deciding it.

I am not buying League Pass next year. This year's playoffs have been such a joke, I can't justify forking over my $175 to those crooks. Of course I will be on board with the Spurs all year and will root for the vehemently during the playoffs. But no more League Pass for me. I know it is not much to them, but if enough die hard NBA fans get turned off, maybe the NBA might do something about the joke that is their officiating.

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f^%&* refs deny spurs 4th ring...I bet they pack suns, miami in 6 if they had got past dallas
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This whole scenario is just sad....and I love it everytime someone admits that the Spurs shouldn't already be fishing. How many times do we have to put up with allowances going the Mavs way? I mean it...Cubans hands had better never touch that trophy!!!!!!!
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Well, would you rather have the NBA remain silent?

Everyone knew that technical was bogus.
THe admission of wrong doing by the NBA is meaningless ---------

what consequence does the NBA suffer for such wrongful game calling ------

what is the ref's consequence for the bonehead call that cost a playoff team a game.


We all learn from cause and effect-----THE NBA LEARNED NOthing -----so the Nba's actions will only be repeated.

WHat a worthless piece of "caca"---the NBA has evolved into ----- admitting to stealing a playoff game--- think they are so righteous by not charging a player a bogus fine and blatantly disregard the egregious outcome that erroneous call produced.

It makes me

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Didn't anybody see on NBATV when the retired official (his name escapes me at the moment, sorry) admitted a bad call? Dirk flopped into Tim and Tim was called for a foul. The referee admitted that it was a bad call and they make them sometimes. (He didn't say why the bad calls tend to favor certain teams in certain series though.)
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``You can imagine what I wanted to say when I heard that," said Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, who found out about the decision Thursday. ``Does that mean we win the game by 1 point?"
...which if so means by logical followup due to the circumstances involved, also the series...that game doesn't go to over-time so the Spurs win it, and series is over in game 6.

Not that it was the only bad call, but with this even the NBA has basically admitted that the wrong team advanced due to an officiating error, maybe in an effort to placate all the incensed fans over the fact that everyone knows that series was given away to Dallas.
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David Stern is just rubbing a large pile of salt into our wounds. Meanwhile, he continues to give the Mavs a round the clock back massage. (no this is not meant to sound like some sick NBA porno. )
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Stern has already picked his replacement:

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THe admission of wrong doing by the NBA is meaningless ---------
It saved Fin $1000.

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...which if so means by logical followup due to the circumstances involved, also the series...that game doesn't go to over-time so the Spurs win it, and series is over in game 6.

Not that it was the only bad call, but with this even the NBA has basically admitted that the wrong team advanced due to an officiating error, maybe in an effort to placate all the incensed fans over the fact that everyone knows that series was given away to Dallas.
Unfortunately, there's nothing that can be done about it.
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You cant say one call changed the series. say the spurs did win, how would you know how the mavs would have responded in the next game. they may have won the next game by 20 points. the reality is the spurs lost that game, realised they had better wake up, played great bball and got it to a game 7 where they were beaten fair and sqaure. Maybe them losing made them even make it to seven because the mavs did switch off a bit with that 3-1 cushion. the spurs have had there fair share of questionable calls over the years, we have all seen duncan get the benefit of the doubt on numerous occasions. just wait till next year like everyone else not playing. I garuntee the same thing will happen to some team next season aswell...
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That sucks big time as we were robbed
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Vince McMahon will do wonders for the NBA. He will not like that small ball since he has a thing for big muscular men. He will surely reinstate the game and maybe we can have a TLC match and cage matches. He can also have a no referee stipulation to playoffs. Of course the down thing is that you will be able to know in advance through spoilers who the next champ will be.
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Bottom line is the Spurs should have won this series and advanced. This has to be the most ref controlled NBA series in most recent memory. In most games the officials determined the outcome of the final box score and not the players. I would have to agree, the refs robbed the Spurs of defending their NBA title by 1 point by calling that bogus technical foul on Finely.
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This is exactly why I have lost almost all interest in the NBA. I still root for the Spurs since I'm a native but I can only take so many years of BS calls before I just stop caring.
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thank u refs for ruining my whole summer with ur calls .. but no these stupid refs still give dallas breaks like yesterday that shot didnt touch the rim ......
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You cant say one call changed the series. say the spurs did win, how would you know how the mavs would have responded in the next game. they may have won the next game by 20 points. the reality is the spurs lost that game, realised they had better wake up, played great bball and got it to a game 7 where they were beaten fair and sqaure. Maybe them losing made them even make it to seven because the mavs did switch off a bit with that 3-1 cushion. the spurs have had there fair share of questionable calls over the years, we have all seen duncan get the benefit of the doubt on numerous occasions. just wait till next year like everyone else not playing. I garuntee the same thing will happen to some team next season aswell...
Please, on that last play in regulation, everyone saw Tim get hacked by Dirk from up top and by Harris on the bottom. If Dirk can get a foul called in the last seconds of a game and go to the free throw line, why can't Tim? Refs did alot to kill momentum in that game, especially when the Spurs were getting ahead.
The whole series the Spurs were playing 8 on 5, even on their own home court. Spurs should have won the series in 5 games. It just shows how great a team the Spurs really are.
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It saved Fin $1000.
I think Michael would prefer the fine to not playing anymore. Can you imagine how sick he feels right now? And Manu? And Tim? (Well, maybe not Tim since he takes everything in stride. Probably equals our refs to the FIBA refs...)

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Please, on that last play in regulation, everyone saw Tim get hacked by Dirk from up top and by Harris on the bottom. If Dirk can get a foul called in the last seconds of a game and go to the free throw line, why can't Tim? Refs did alot to kill momentum in that game, especially when the Spurs were getting ahead.
The whole series the Spurs were playing 8 on 5, even on their own home court. Spurs should have won the series in 5 games. It just shows how great a team the Spurs really are.
Let me expand on your comments to Lebron4MVP....

As a person who was courtside for game 7, it was evident, evident to everyone there, including Mavs fans that the refs were either going to give the game (yes, give the game) to the Mavs or make the Spurs take it in spades. They did everything they could to kill the Spurs momentum in those last three minutes of regulation and thus, turned the tide into the Mavs favor.

Bottomline, when Mavs fans recognized what was going on...then you know the frickin jig is up!!!
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Old 05-29-06, 01:51 PM
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What was the play? I don't remember it. Or maybe I've just blocked it all out.
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teams have had there fair share of questionable calls over the years. just wait till next year like everyone else not playing. I guarantee the same thing will happen to some team next season as well...
At least the nba officiating is consistent on this every season. Consistent in that there is always questionable calls in big games. They either need to use the axiom of let them play or at least call it both ways....
Still goes to show you how the Spurs with all that was going against them still had a chance to win in the smallball west, but were done in by the only thing they could not account for, the "impartial" refs... (see steve javie.)
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Perfect! The New NBA. This should make Stern and Co-angelo very very happy.

Go East. Detroit or Miami needs to win it all and shove that "high scoring sells" BS where it belongs-- the regular season.
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