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I haven't had one thought about firin Pop. My only thought is that it seems like he was going out of his way to try and out-coach Avery. Our main problem was a lack of interior prescence. Just having Rasho or Nazr in the lane to even just take up space would have lessened the freeway to the hoop a bit.
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__________________ GO SPURS GO!! SPURFAN 5021 |
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Sure.. I blame Pop for going small ball.. But I will pick Pop over any coach any day.
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Games like this make you remember why we were so interested in dealing Barry. I say we need more athletic perimeter players...question is where can we get them? I also agree that Nazr and Rasho (although liabilities as one-on-one defenders) can alter shots, block them, and/or rebound. It only takes a few shots to alter games. People will be second guessing Pop's decision to try to play small ball for the rest of the offseason but hopefully people will not be second guessing whether or not he cost us the series.
__________________ Andy STFFL (Spurs & Tim Fan For Life) NBA Champs 98-99, 02-03, 04-05, 06-07, and we're not done yet! |
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that last play sucked, ill blame pop for that. that play was brutal. rather have just seen a pick and pop the open shot. but it came down to the little things in this series, inability to inbound the ball in closing seconds and then manu's dumba$$ trying to contest. just let him go not foul. made to many dumb mistakes this year in the playoffs. our bench sucked. mavs had like 30 something bench pts to our 2pts. Last edited by Art Vandalay; 05-22-06 at 11:56 PM. |
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I do wish Pop would let Beno play more. He can't improve if he doesn't play, right?
__________________ Are you: A) Female? B) Attending UTSA? Then chances are good that YOU ALMOST FREAKING KILLED ME IN THE PARKING LOT |
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given the lineup the spurs have, they were built for playing against shaq and the heat. i cant fully blame pop's coaching and strategy, since rasho and nazr cant really give you anything. he has to make do with what he has. having said that, it was he and rc who built this team, so if I were to blame pop, it is in the aspect of building this team not his coaching. i'd like to add that ever since, the spurs always have trouble in defending teams who have good mid-range shooters. remember, the spurs always had problems playing the bucks when glenn robinson, ray allen, and sam cassell were still playing there. same here against dallas, terry, stackhouse and josh howard were killing the spurs with their mid-range jumpers.
__________________ ------------------------------------------------------------- Proud to be a Fil-Chinese Spurs Fan! |
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An NBA team is a business. Teams that get the most bang for the buck have the best chance to win. Pretty much why I love salary caps and parity. Way more fun for the armchair GM. That said, deeming 12million of your 64million in assets as unusable indicates either a poor investment decision (GM) or bad asset management (coaching). Personally, I think Poppovich is a good GM. I liked the investments and they returned 63 wins. Surely someone could figure out how to use 20+% of their ammunition rather than leaving it idle in what I considered the "Western Conference Finals." Perhaps running the team engine on 75% of it's cylinders contributed to both overtime smokings? Regardless, Poppovich isn't going anywhere. Before you fire someone, you should have a better replacement in mind. Not to mention I thought he was basically his own boss. Yes, I'm angry. But no, I'm not going to say fire Poppovich. Pulling for the Clippers... uhhh.... Suns..... nah, not them either. I guess I'll just go try to pull in some redfish..... |
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I don't blame Pop for playing small ball but the team seems unprepared for the switching is absolutely the coach's fault. Besides, failure to get Naza in shape throughout the season is also part of the Pop's fault. He doesn't need to be fired but he need better assistants and need to be less rigid.
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and Pop gave Nazr opportunities this year. Its not his fault he wasnt the same player as last year and had a poor year. He lost his job in camp...earned it back at one point and then had lost it again. A coach can only do so much. Nazr showed problems this year even picking up the Spurs defensive plays. Thats not a good thing |
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The fact is that the Mavs had two 7-footers on the floor almost all the time (Damp and Dirk/Diop and Dirk). Not to mention they have strong-athletic SF's in Howard and Daniels. The didnt go "small" nearly as much as we did. When the Spurs went "small", they really did go "small". |
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There were enough "execution" mishaps to more than make up for the "small ball" lineup problem that everyone is complaining about. Players have to be responsible and know that every possession counts. Pop can't control that. By putting it all on Pop, some of you are playing the blame game. Our players played hard but they also made some pretty dumb moves, taking jump shots when the game was close, being slow (and we had our guards out there) on defensive rotations,...and so on. Just because Pop choose to go small does not mean that is why we lost the series. Remember that with the exception of one game, most were won/lost within 5 points. The refs contributed to our losses in games 3 and 4, but we also failed to execute plays successfully. I am grateful to have Pop as a coach. He tried something, and it didn't work. He is partly responsible but so are the players. This is no reason to want to get rid of Pop.
__________________ It is what it is -- Bruce Bowen When everyone thinks alike, no one thinks.-- Bill Walton |
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We didn't lose because we played small ball. We lost because we didn't make plays when we should have. That's it. It hurts. |
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Its funny, I thought all year, after our blowouts with Detroit, Pop was stressing rebounds rebounds rebounds... I just think its weird how he was content with going with a lineup that was inferior in the rebound department (and even admitting that). I would have NEVER imagined that in the playoffs Rasho and Nazr would not be playing at all. |
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Naza shared some of the blame but coaches also need to take their share of responsibilities. Good coach motivates players, give them confidence, bring the best of out the player and convince them to accept their roles. It's not like giving the opportunities for the best players to play and the job is finished. Come on, look what Phil did during the Shaq and Kobe era. The role players play like starters. Avery also did a good job in getting best out of the players. |
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It's not lik Bowen was shutting down Dirk at any point and TD defends Dirk as well as anyone. The bottomline is that Pop completely threw out the bigs. It's understandable to use them less because of matchups but to cut their minutes from 25 to 0 was too radical of a move. Nazr/Rasho helps you on the glass and in giving you that 2nd shot blocker the Spurs lacked this series to help TD. They slow the tempo down and you send a message to the Mavs that they need to match your game, not you succumbing to their tempo and style. It's not like the matchups Pop used were slowing penetration to the hoop so you have to ask yourself how much worse could it have been when Mavs players were getting to the hoop at will anyway? |
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He was starting to make the same mistake during the Sacto series. Then he "rediscovered" that when you play your bigs they get your rebounds and blocked shots. Right away the Spurs got back in control of the series and won. You can watch the tapes and see it for yourself. Any time the Spurs went small, they would give up lots of points to the faster, better shooting team who also made it a point to hit way too many inside shots. Same thing happened against Dallas. Except.. He never changed things up. It's on video. Watch it. |
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So much for a dynasty. This was soposed to be our time but spurs=a team who cant repeat and will never be a dynasty. I honestly think were done winning titles... but 3 titles in 7 year is better then none.We will stay a contender but we wont be the top dog in the league anymore. It was fun while it lasted
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![]() As Buck Harvey says in today's newspaper article: "Luck was part of it. But so was a Dallas team that came with more depth, more shooters, more size — and a star who could counter Tim Duncan." |
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1. It's totally TP's fault, he didn't defend Dirk well enough. 2. It's totally Nazr/Rasho's fault, they weren't able to defend or rebound on the bench when we all expect them to raise their games to another level sitting. 3. It's totally my fault, my doubt on Pop caused bad karma. Don't worry, we'd bounce back when we practice a lineup of TD + 4 guards for a full season. |
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From Steve Kerr: STAT OF THE NIGHT 41-34 – That was the rebounding total in the game in favor of Dallas. Why is that significant? It was the 11th straight playoff game in which the Mavericks outrebounded their opponents. The transformation of Dallas from a free-wheeling, jump-shooting finesse team to true championship contender is complete. UNSUNG HERO DeSagana Diop – He lost his starting role for the first time in the series on Monday and played just 10 minutes. In fact, Diop was only forced into action after Erick Dampier and Keith Van Horn fouled out. But the 24-year-old made several huge stops on Duncan in overtime to help seal the Dallas victory. Diop also made all three of his field-goal attempts and snared a key offensive rebound in the extra session. Diop was part of the tremendous depth that helped carry the Mavericks against San Antonio. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns |
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I for one was quite disappointed to basically never see Nazr/Rasho and Beno over NVE. I just think if the bigs were a key part of winning the year before, they should have been given a chance. A coach's initial instinct isnt always the right one... just look at how Avery avoided putting in Diop all game, and then he came up huge in OT. I think Pop refusing to play our bigs was one of the worst moves hes ever made... and the tragic part is it wasnt just for one game, it was the entire series. The Spurs abandoned their defensive presence inside, and couldnt grab down a rebound if their lives depended on it. We needed another big out there to grab rebounds and get in the way of dirk!
__________________ ![]() "There are many dying children out there whose last wish is to meet me" -David Hasselhoff Last edited by Spurfan15; 05-23-06 at 04:08 AM. |
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Pop had a subpar series, and indeed, a subpar year. There is just no running away from this conclusion. Here are the indictments. * Smallball is fine, but you can't play it to the exclusion of everything else. How can you justify totally not letting our two centers play? That just put too much pressure on the six, seven rotation guys against a very deep Mavs team. Surely Rasho can guard Dirk for a few possessions - he's had success against Rasheed. Surely Nazr can earn his way to a few rebounds? * Pop stuck with NVE throughout the year, and threw Beno into the doghouse, even though Beno had been playing better THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. That came home to roost because NVE gave us nothing. And now I don't blame Beno if he is fed up and wants to be traded. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. * How many times in this series has Pop called a timeout, set up a play, and have it actually result in a score? It seems like all the plays were broken. That can't all be on the players. * How many times in this series has Pop called for the Spurs to attack Dirk? He let the opposing MVP get away with defending non-aggressive players, and consequently Dirk never got into foul trouble in the entire series.
__________________ Whatcha gonna do when Huxamania runs wild on you?!! |
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Throughout the series, especially in this late game, I felt our only hope at defense was praying the Mavs would miss. Every single possession the Mavs had the ball, its like I knew they were going to shoot almost uncontested, and I would just say "please miss"... Well its very apparent what the outcome was when the Mavs were hitting their shots: look at quarter 1 of game 7, the Spurs got buried. Our standard defense just wasnt there, our standard game just wasnt there, the Spurs werent the Spurs. At times I felt like we were trying to play Suns ball, or something of the sort. Pop obviously had his mind set on playing small ball, and why I'm not sure. It seems it would be better the force the Mavs into playing our game, not vice versa. Also, if you notice, in all 3 games the Spurs won, both teams scored under 100 points, and in all 4 games in which the Mavs won, the Mavs scored over 100, and the Spurs did too or came close.
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I think back to that game against Phoenix ealier this season when Nazr had 30 points or more importantly the game against Philadelphia when he pulled down 20 boards,nine of which were offensive. I'm sorry,but matchup problems or not you simply do not ignore a player capable of putting up numbers like that for SEVEN STRAIGHT GAMES. Hell even Rasho has a nice jumper he usually hits when he is open.He shot over 51% from the field this season. The Spurs had enough problems dealing with the talented Mavericks and the spotty officials,Pop shortening the rotation the way he did cut the Spurs off at the knees. They were weary legs to begin with and Pop kicked them out from under us. Yes,Tim missed a shot that would have won game 4.Yes,Manu could have won it for us tonight in regulation.None of this changes the fact that Popovich ran the shortened rotation ragged trying to keep up with the Mavs.Hell,I'm not even sure if he would have played the bigs against the run and gun Suns.Would we have even had anything left for the Finals after another marathon series like this? Three titles or no,this painful conclusion to a promising season is on Pop.Period.
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SA isnt heading to the dump. The Spurs will win at least one more title before Duncan is done IMO. I dont think their done with this core group |
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The Spurs are a great team and will be again next year but that doesn't mean that we aren't free to comment and criticize what we see as shortcomings. |
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