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Old 08-12-05, 04:43 PM
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Manu the most efficient perimeter player during a playoff run?

Manu scored over 20 ppg on just 12 attempts pg this past playoff run. How does his PPSH (point per shot) stack up with other top perimeter players, only using playoffs stats?
I'm not saying Manu is better then these guys are, but simply trying to show just how amazing his preformance was, and how efficient it was compared to some of the other top perimeter players.

ppg (points per game) ; shpg (shots per game) ; ppsh (points per shot)

Manu
02/03 - 9.4 ppg on 7.7 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (24 games)
03/04 - 13 ppg on 9.4 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (10 games)
04/05 - 20.8 ppg on 12.4 shpg = 1.7 ppsh (23 games)
Career - 14.6 ppg on 9.9 shpg = 1.5 ppsh (57 games)

Kobe
96/97 - 8.2 ppg on 6.1 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (9 games)
97/98 - 8.7 ppg on 6.9 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (11 games)
98/99 - 19.8 ppg on 17.7 shpg = 1.1 ppsh (8 games)
99/00 - 21.1 ppg on 17.9 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (22 games)
00/01 - 29.4 ppg on 22.4 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (16 games)
01/02 - 28.5 ppg on 22.7 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (19 games)
02/03 - 32.1 ppg on 26.4 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (12 games)
03/04 - 24.5 ppg on 20.9 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (22 games)
Career - 22.6 ppg on 18.8 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (119 games)

TMac
99/00 - 16.7 ppg on 14.6 shpg = 1.1 ppsh (3 games)
00/01 - 33.8 ppg on 30.7 shpg = 1.1 ppsh (4 games)
01/02 - 30.8 ppg on 22.7 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (4 games)
02/03 - 31.7 ppg on 23.6 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (7 games)
04/05 - 30.7 ppg on 24.4 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (7 games)
Career - 29.8 ppg on 23.8 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (25 games)

Wade
03/04 - 18 ppg on 14.5 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (13 games)
04/05 - 27.4 ppg on 20.1 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (14 games)
Career - 22.9 ppg on 17.4 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (27 games)

Carter
99/00 - 19.3 ppg on 16.7 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (3 games)
00/01 - 27.2 ppg on 23.3 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (12 games)
04/05 - 26.8 ppg on 24 shpg = 1.1 ppsh (4 games)
Career - 25.9 ppg on 22.4 shpg = 1.15 ppsh (19 games)

Ray Allen
98/99 - 22.3 ppg on 15.7 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (3 games)
99/00 - 22 ppg on 18 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (5 games)
00/01 - 25.1 ppg on 18.4 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (18 games)
04/05 - 26.5 ppg on 19.5 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (11 games)
Career - 24.9 ppg on 18.5 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (37 games)

Jordan's top 7 ppsh playoff runs
84/85 - 29.3 ppg on 19.5 shpg = 1.5 ppsh (3 games)
85/86 - 43.7 ppg on 31.6 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (4 games)
87/88 - 36.3 ppg on 26 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (10 games)
88/89 - 34.8 ppg on 22.9 shpg = 1.5 ppsh (17 games)
89/90 - 36.7 ppg on 26.6 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (16 games)
90/91 - 31.1 ppg on 22.1 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (17 games)
95/96 - 30.7 ppg on 22.6 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (18 games)
Career - 33.4 ppg on 25.1 shpg = 1.3 ppsh (179 games)

Not even Duncan who is one of the most effecient post players in the game has come close to 1.7 ppsh in the playoffs!

Duncan
7 playoff runs
1.3 ppsh - 3 times
1.4 ppsh - 4 times
Career - 23.8 ppg on 17.6 shpg = 1.4 ppsh (105 games)

Manu putting up 1.7 points per shot in the playoffs this past year truly was something very amazing, and something I'm not sure has ever happend before for a perimeter player.

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Old 08-12-05, 04:45 PM
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Careful bo, you're real close to not being objective.

Seriously, that's awesome. Especially in this age of incredible defense.
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Old 08-12-05, 04:54 PM
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I think this stat benefits players who get to the foul line and can make their free throws, e.g. Manu. If TD can improve his FT% he might rise up this list.
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Old 08-12-05, 05:01 PM
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Question, bospur:

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02/03 - 9.4 ppg on 7.7 shpg = 1.2 ppsh (23 games)
Did Manu get hurt or a DNP in 2003? Because the Spurs played 24 playoff games that year.
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Wow!!!! WTG Manuuuuuuuuuu!!!
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Old 08-12-05, 05:12 PM
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Did Manu get hurt or a DNP in 2003? Because the Spurs played 24 playoff games that year.
I got the number of games mixed up from 2003 and 2005. He played 23 in 2005 and 24 in 2003. I fixed it, thanks.

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I think this stat benefits players who get to the foul line and can make their free throws, e.g. Manu. If TD can improve his FT% he might rise up this list.
True, but most of the players on this list get lots of calls and can shoot free throws (Jordan & Kobe) but they still didn't put up 1.7 per. Jordan was the best perimeter player to play the game, and the best he could do was 1.5, which is still GREAT! But it just shows how amazing Manu's run was.
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Old 08-12-05, 05:16 PM
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Yes, the stat benefits people who go to the line a lot and make their FTs, as well as good 3pt shooters. That is especially true for Manu, who is the designated FT shooter for many of the technical fouls and end-of-game situations, because the other starters suck at free throw shooting.

Many stats people prefer to use adjusted points per shot, which adds FTAs to your number of shots acc. to the approximation 1FTA~=0.44FGA. For instance, basketball-reference.com calculates this adjusted points per shot for all players over a season.

Manu's regular season adjPPS was 1.22, very good. His playoffs adjPPS was an awesome 1.30, but I am not sure if that is the best ever for a perimeter player.

It doesn't look unprecedented. Brent Barry, for instance, averaged 1.336 adjPPS over an entire season in 2004 with the Sonics (now where is THAT Brent????), so maybe someone else got past 1.3 in the playoffs. Someone can go do the research.
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For the playoffs, Tim was Number Four for efficiency per 48 minutes at 33.31 and Manu was close behind him at 8 with 30.96.
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Terrific Post BoSpur!! I knew he was efficient, but I didn't know he was more so than Timmy??!!

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Reggie's best ever was something like 1.54. (Bo's stat, not bnw)
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Reggie's best ever was something like 1.54. (Bo's stat, not bnw)
Hey

That is almost as good as Manu.

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That is almost as good as Manu.

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What's remarkable is how consistently high Jordan's PPS was, with all the shots he took.
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What's remarkable is how consistently high Jordan's PPS was, with all the shots he took.
Well he was a career 50% shooter from the floor. He went to the line ALOT, also.

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I like the stat. It's pretty cool. It just shows how hard he takes it to hole and how well he draws the foul. He makes the most of every opportunity and is humble enough to make the pass too. He had the clutch assist twice on game winning shots in this years playoffs, one to Tim and the big one to Horry. Manu has won twice in his first three years and he has many more ahead of him.
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BTW Paul Pierce was just as "efficient" in his 7 games. 160pts on 93FGA 68FTA
That makes it 1.72 (1.30). Bo's (mine)

The most efficient guy in the playoffs in terms of PPS? Yao Ming in his 7 games. 150pts on 84FGA 55FTA, i.e. 1.79 (1.39).

Nevertheless, what Manu did was incredible. He actually "slowed down" a bit in his PPS in the Phoenix series, then some more in the Detroit series. After the Seattle series, the Spurs blog guy wrote that he was at 1.86 (1.36) in 13 games.
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