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alltimeqb 08-10-05 03:32 PM

is this traveling??
 
http://x3.putfile.com/7/18103140593.gif

magnificent 08-10-05 03:33 PM

yes

tmtcsc 08-10-05 03:46 PM

hahahha...uh yeah, but they won't call that in the pros if you are a vet.

grizzly_bexar 08-10-05 03:53 PM

Who is that?

SAScrub 08-10-05 03:53 PM

technically, a double dribble (carrying the ball, or palming).

but that's great. AI drops it once and jukes him a little, then he knows he'll bite so he drops it again!

canyoufeelit 08-10-05 03:55 PM

palming violation

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Originally Posted by grizzly_bexar
Who is that?

allen iverson and michael jordan

Spurs817 08-10-05 04:02 PM

that problem right there my biggest problem with NBA rules.....Tony was called for that a couple times this year and it's ridiculous...either make the call consistantly or don't make the call at all....Iverson has made a career of palming the ball and almost all guards in the league do.....

hitmanyr2k 08-10-05 04:11 PM

None of these guards in the league today have a true crossover. They all palm the ball. The last player with a pure crossover was Tim Hardaway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grizzly_bexar
Who is that?

You need to be slapped for asking that question.

Spurs817 08-10-05 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grizzly_bexar
Who is that?

It's says Iverson on the back of the jersey..... :rolleyes

SoupIsGood 08-10-05 04:21 PM

Palming, AI's speciality.

Menudo Terremoto Williams 08-10-05 04:26 PM

oh lord, not another one of these threads....

Watch high school ball if you want to see the hand on top of the ball at all times.

Toki9 08-10-05 04:27 PM

Does his palm really go under the ball? It's hard to see from that video. It looks like the hand is at 90 degrees to floor...and then his body blocks the view...i've seen him palm routinely on TV, however, so he probably is palming it...

Dark Deity 08-10-05 04:27 PM

Only rookies and scrubs get called for that. Tony gets called for 3 seconds and his poor pivoting when he's trapped, then he gets called for traveling.

Menudo Terremoto Williams 08-10-05 04:31 PM

Everyone palms the ball...including our beloved Spurs....

Tim in the post waiting for the double team

Manu with his misdirection dribble moves

Hell even Sean Marks palms the damn ball...

It's the NBA - love it or leave it.

hitmanyr2k 08-10-05 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toki9
Does his palm really go under the ball? It's hard to see from that video. It looks like the hand is at 90 degrees to floor...and then his body blocks the view...i've seen him palm routinely on TV, however, so he probably is palming it...

His hand is clearly under the ball cradling it. I don't mind when players have their hands on the side of the ball (like Steve Nash). I just hate that people try to call that kind of hesitation crap a "crossover". You didn't see any hesitation in Tim Hardaway's crossover. It was two dribbles in about half a second leaving the defender with a "what the f**k just happened" expression on his face. I remember Hardaway doing that move 2 possessions in a row in crunchtime against the Knicks in the playoffs (in '97 I think). It was unstoppable.

zfo85 08-10-05 04:44 PM

Welcome to the modern game of basketball.

brickowskay 08-10-05 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Menudo Terremoto Williams
Everyone palms the ball...including our beloved Spurs....

Tim in the post waiting for the double team

Manu with his misdirection dribble moves

Hell even Sean Marks palms the damn ball...

It's the NBA - love it or leave it.

So, pretend you´re a referee...what would it take for you to call palming?

Menudo Terremoto Williams 08-10-05 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brickowskay
So, pretend you´re a referee...what would it take for you to call palming?

I know it when I see it. Just like charging-blocking...not the answer you wanted.

How's Mexico, Reggie? Drop me a line whenever you get a chance

brickowskay 08-10-05 04:59 PM

the old pornography criteria, ay? :D

all´s well.

zipper-boy 08-10-05 05:00 PM

traveling X 2, hahahaha

knownalien 08-10-05 05:24 PM

it was a stupid move. "and 1" type stuff.

anyhow, as soon as his pivot foot (right) leaves the ground it is a traveling call. A bad call . . or no-call rather.

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Originally Posted by hitmanyr2k
None of these guards in the league today have a true crossover. They all palm the ball. The last player with a pure crossover was Tim Hardaway.

the reason is that an ankle breaking cross over has to have a very fast dribble. that requires skills that NBA players don't seem to develop. As you point out, they just learn how to "suspend" the ball in the air by palming it.

Manu has a pretty mean crossover, but his is behind the back!! Truly a difficult move!!

To be named later 08-10-05 05:25 PM

So......anyone know if AI hit the jumper?

xmiltsx 08-10-05 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmtcsc
hahahha...uh yeah, but they won't call that in the pros if you are a vet.

vet? iverson was in his what, rookie season there?

jmbarton 08-10-05 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hitmanyr2k
You need to be slapped for asking that question.

That seems a bit unnecessary...

l=w 08-10-05 07:41 PM

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None of these guards in the league today have a true crossover. They all palm the ball. The last player with a pure crossover was Tim Hardaway.
You've got to be kidding me. Tim Hardaway carried the ball like a mother.

pjjrfan 08-10-05 08:14 PM

The good thing is that Jordan got a little bit of his own medicine on that play, since MJ made a living out of doing that to everybody in the league. It's a palming violation before it's a travel. On that first move you can see his elbow sink down, on the second one, I can't tell, but the first one is absolutely a palming, but I've seen him do it regular speed and it's just to fast for me to pick up on it. You realy got to be watching. My problem as I have always said is that each ref has his own interpretation as to what constitutes a violation of any sort. But irregardless, every ref in the league will call Tony on that move. And every ref in the league up until MJ went to the Wizards let MJ have that move, and I suppose they are letting Iverson have it to.

Spurs Rulez 08-11-05 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by To be named later
So......anyone know if AI hit the jumper?

Yes, he did. This is borderline traveling, but I don't think you can clearly see his hand go under the ball. To be honest, Manu does something very similar to this on his drives. Like someone said, this is the NBA. For instance, the Jump Stop, which a lot fo players use, is traveling and it is rarely called.

bo spur 08-11-05 02:56 PM

I though it was going to be a clip of Kobe taking 4 steps down the lane :lol

ProjectGSX 08-11-05 02:57 PM

How many more days until the season starts?

SAScrub 08-11-05 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurs Rulez
Yes, he did. This is borderline traveling, but I don't think you can clearly see his hand go under the ball. To be honest, Manu does something very similar to this on his drives. Like someone said, this is the NBA. For instance, the Jump Stop, which a lot fo players use, is traveling and it is rarely called.

It is not traveling, it is a double-dribble. A dribble must be a continuous motion and his dribble was stopped (in my opinion) probably on two occasions in this move.

The jump stop, when executed correctly, is not a traveling violation. When done right, the dribble is stopped while the player is in the air during the "jump" part. The "stop" is when his feet hit the floor (two feet-two steps), and is not a violation if he does not take another step.

lyonnais 08-11-05 04:30 PM

that's called "schooling the greatest" hahahaha

knownalien 08-11-05 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spurs Rulez
Yes, he did. This is borderline traveling, but I don't think you can clearly see his hand go under the ball. To be honest, Manu does something very similar to this on his drives. Like someone said, this is the NBA. For instance, the Jump Stop, which a lot fo players use, is traveling and it is rarely called.

it's travelling because a) his pivot foot leaves the ground BEFORE the ball is released and he takes a step before dropping the ball.

bcl11oc 08-11-05 06:07 PM

That is just the tip of the iceberg, you know how many no calls Jordan and Iverson have gotten away with in the league for taveling. You all probably have an idea, Jordan might be the best ever, but here and there he got away with traveling. Nobody cared, it was beautiful, unless you are the fan of the other team watching it. Than..... uh :banghead


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