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Old 08-09-05, 10:48 AM
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NETS EYE SHAREEF DEADLINE/UPDATE: Nets call off trade

By LENN ROBBINS



August 9, 2005 -- Jason Kidd was the lead recruiter as the Nets wooed free agent Shareef Abdur-Rahim. And Abdur-Rahim wants to play with Kidd.
The question of whether the two Cal products will be NBA teammates remained uncertain yesterday, but must be answered by midnight tonight. That's when the Nets lose their $4.9 million trade exception, a key component of the sign-and-trade deal they worked out with the Trail Blazers for the 6-9 power forward.

"We're running out of time," Kidd said yesterday at Basketball City. "The one good thing is we've got to make a decision. I just hope it's the right decision."

That decision has become a gut-wrenching one for the Nets, who yesterday were reviewing the advice of three prominent orthopedic surgeons.

If they complete the deal with Portland, they owe Abdul-Rahim $38 million over six years. There are questions if his right knee, which has scar tissue dating to 1993 when he underwent arthroscopic knee surgery, will become arthritic.

"The business always gets in the way of basketball," said Kidd, who pointed out the Nets wouldn't be in this crunch if not for the labor dispute.

"We went through this once before already. If it wasn't business, just strictly basketball, then this would be no issue. But the team has to protect itself. At the same time I think the two sides will find a happy medium.



"Hopefully [Abdur-Rahim] will put us in the elite," said Kidd. "We plan on competing as much as Miami and Detroit and Indiana. We would like to be mentioned in that group."

Instead of Abdur-Rahim, the Nets could turn their sights on Sacramento's Darius Songalia, Cleveland's DeSagana Diop, Miami's Malik Allen, Phoenix's Steven Hunter, or Brian Grant if the Lakers use their amnesty buyout.

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Old 08-09-05, 10:58 AM
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"The business always gets in the way of basketball," said Kidd, who pointed out the Nets wouldn't be in this crunch if not for the labor dispute.

"We went through this once before already. If it wasn't business, just strictly basketball, then this would be no issue. But the team has to protect itself. At the same time I think the two sides will find a happy medium.
If not for the business side of this Kidd would not be providing for his family quite as nice as he does right now.
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Old 08-09-05, 11:18 AM
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38/6 seems like a steal for SAR. I think Jersey should gamble on this one.
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Old 08-09-05, 11:31 AM
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if they sign him today so that they don't lose the trade exception, then they would have another five days to use the amnesty claus on him

@ ProjectGSX: i think many teams would gamble, b/c as you mention, 38/6 is not that much for a player like SAR who is in his prime.
otherwise the nets are burnt childs b/c they lost big money when they gambled on Mourning. (and he was also signed b/c kidd wanted him on the team)
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Old 08-09-05, 04:22 PM
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Nets call off trade for F Abdur-Rahim

August 9, 2005
EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey (Ticker) - Shareef Abdur-Rahim will not be playing home games in the Meadowlands next season.

The New Jersey Nets on Tuesday called off their trade for the Portland Trail Blazers forward, five days after team president Rod Thorn announced the deal was on hold after "a question arose" concerning Abdur-Rahim's physical examination

New Jersey had until August 12 to complete a sign-and-trade with Portland for Abdur-Rahim.

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The Nets and Trail Blazers had agreed on a deal, pending a physical, that would have sent the nine-year veteran to the Eastern Conference squad in exchange for New Jersey's lottery-protected first-round pick in 2006 and the team's trade exception as a result of the Kerry Kittles deal to the Los Angeles Clippers in 2004.

"We were anticipating adding Shareef to our roster," Thorn said Tuesday. "However, during the course of his normal physical examination, some questions arose that gave us cause for concern. After consulting with several noted specialists, we feel that rescinding the trade is our best course of action. We will now look in other directions for ways to improve our team for the upcoming season."

Abdur-Rahim was to receive a six-year contract worth $38 million in the sign-and-trade.

Abdur-Rahim, 29, averaged 16.8 points and 7.3 rebounds while shooting better than 50 percent last season for Portland, where he accepted a reduced role with the Trail Blazers.

He was to have manned New Jersey's frontcourt with improving center Nenad Krstic. The Nets have one of the best perimeter trios in the NBA in Jason Kidd, Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson.

Last season, the Nets were 24th in rebounding margin and 26th in blocks margin.

The third overall pick in the 1996 draft, Abdur-Rahim has averaged 19.8 points and 8.1 rebounds in 672 games for Vancouver, Atlanta and Portland. He was an All-Star in 2002 with Atlanta but has never played in the postseason.





Updated on Tuesday, Aug 9, 2005 5:17 pm EDT


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Old 08-09-05, 04:24 PM
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^^^wow, that comes as a bit of a surprise.

Now there are two players that have to start over in free agency; J. Johnson and SAR.
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Old 08-09-05, 04:28 PM
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wow. Surprising, is it because the Nets are not comfortable with SAR's health? or because they are wanting to use their MLE on somebody else?
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Old 08-09-05, 04:33 PM
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wow. Surprising, is it because the Nets are not comfortable with SAR's health? or because they are wanting to use their MLE on somebody else?
Well, I think there is no doubt that at the beginning they really wanted the guy. I believe they are concerned about his health. You can never be enough cautious about health issues with so much money on the table. But I could be wrong and they really smelled something juicy for their team.
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Old 08-09-05, 04:42 PM
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Well, I think there is no doubt that at the beginning they really wanted the guy. I believe they are concerned about his health. You can never be enough cautious about health issues with so much money on the table.
If I am the commish, I would want to see their findings of SAR's health issues in order to justify nixing this trade.

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AST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The New Jersey Nets on Tuesday rescinded their trade with the Portland Trail Blazers for Shareef Abdur-Rahim after the forward failed a physical last week.

"After consulting with several noted specialists, we felt that rescinding the trade is our best course of action," Nets president Rod Thorn said. "We will now look in other directions for ways to improve our team."

The Nets did not elaborate on their decision.

Abdur-Rahim missed 22 games with the Blazers last season after undergoing surgery on his right elbow in January.

New Jersey agreed to a six-year deal with the 29-year-old veteran, who has averaged 19.8 points and 8.1 rebounds during his nine-year career with Vancouver, Atlanta and Portland.

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Old 08-09-05, 04:43 PM
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If I am the commish, I would want to see their findings of SAR's health issues in order to justify nixing this trade.
I really hope they do that. The NBA can't allow teams to make trades and change their minds a couple of weeks later and say, 'Nah, we don't want him afterall'.

It'll be interesting to see who the Nets go after.
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Old 08-09-05, 04:45 PM
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I really hope they do that. The NBA can't allow teams to make trades and change their minds a couple of weeks later and say, 'Nah, we don't want him afterall'.

It'll be interesting to see who the Nets go after.
and to think that SAR turned down a nice offer from the Bucks.
I wonder if the Bucks would still be interested.
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Old 08-09-05, 04:59 PM
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Wow. Sucks for Kidd and the Nets... and 'Reef too.
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Old 08-09-05, 05:00 PM
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Thorn is an azz monkey!

Why haven't they fired his sorry azz yet?
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Good... I hope he goes somewhere else... he deserves to be on a better team..... IMO.
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This has been one incredibly SILLY offseason so far. A crazy owner that won't let JJ sign with Atlanta, a crazy prez who decides to back out of a STEAL contract for a 20/10 guy, and a 5-team trade.
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Old 08-09-05, 05:03 PM
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Shareef to Spurs or bust.......!!!!!!
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WOW!!!

Is there another P/C that will become available via Waivers or what?

What would be another option for SAR, now?
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WOW!!!

Is there another P/C that will become available via Waivers or what?

What would be another option for SAR, now?
maybe he can go back to the Bucks and see if their offer still stands?
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maybe he can go back to the Bucks and see if their offer still stands?
That would be smart on his part. It might not be as good as playing with Kidd, but playing with Redd and T.J. Ford wouldn't be all that bad. They might even be a playoff team with those 3.
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This has been one incredibly SILLY offseason so far. A crazy owner that won't let JJ sign with Atlanta, a crazy prez who decides to back out of a STEAL contract for a 20/10 guy, and a 5-team trade.
Add to that the delay in signing of the CBA and thus delaying the signing date, PLUS the
one-time amnesty rule where some players will get waived by August 15 and thus be made available for maybe a cheap contract.
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I really hope they do that. The NBA can't allow teams to make trades and change their minds a couple of weeks later and say, 'Nah, we don't want him afterall'.

It'll be interesting to see who the Nets go after.
I think the trade was made during the moratorium and when it was lifted, the Nets/Blazers attempted to make the deal, but each player must pass a physical....the Nets were well within their rights to do this. I am not sure if it is the right move, but I would have to go through like 12 years of medical school to make that determination. I just hope the Nets have a good Plan B. Steven Hunter?
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Thorn is an azz monkey!

Why haven't they fired his sorry azz yet?
Yeah, why can't they have fired him so the Raptors can pick him up?
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maybe he can go back to the Bucks and see if their offer still stands?
The Bucks went after and signed Simmons after SAR turned down their $47mil/5yr. Simmons signed for the same amount SAR was offered reportedly. It looks as though the Bucks are still under the cap at around $45-$48mil. They did decline to match the offer by the Hawks to Pachulia.

Not only does this mess up the signing options for the Nets but it also affects the remainder of the Blazers offseason signings where they will be without the trade exception.
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I wonder how long before the Rasho to Portland for SAR trade talk begins again.
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Nets miss out on SAR but gets Marc Jackson instead.. not bad of a pick up.
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Philadelphia trades Marc Jackson to New Jersey for a conditional second-round pick.

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So since this trade has been nixed, what happens to the Nets' trade exception? When would it expire now and would the Nets have to rush since they have lost so much time in order to use it or lose it?
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Nets miss out on SAR but gets Marc Jackson instead.. not bad of a pick up.
Wow, they're doing things quick up there. Wonder how long that deal was in place.

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So since this trade has been nixed, what happens to the Nets' trade exception? When would it expire now and would the Nets have to rush since they have lost so much time in order to use it or lose it?
It was supposed to be used by midnight tonight. Maybe they're still working on something.
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Wow, they're doing things quick up there. Wonder how long that deal was in place.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...pick_and_cash/

Yeah, that was fast! However, Marc Jackson is no Shareef by any means. He is just another decent scorer who just happens to play at the center postion part-time (meaning only on the offensive end).

It will be interesting if they do indeed have to use that trade exception by midnight.
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Marc Jackson scored for the Sixers because somebody up front has to score... He's not the consistent scorer that Abdur Raheem would have been for the Nets. I think the Nets blew it because what I've heard up here in Portland is Abdur Raheem has had this injury going back to high school and it has never affected him in the NBA (kinda like Ninja and the knee braces). He would have give them a nice low post presence. Maybe they were scared off because of the whole Zo Mourning thing last year.

I would love to revisit the Rasho for Abdur Raheem trade. He would be great coming off the bench and as I'm up here in Blazerland, he's great in the community. If Duncan were to miss time to injuries, he would fit in nicely as a spot starter (more so than Malik or Horry). He could play some backup 5 as well against smaller centers like Kurt Thomas, Erik Dampier, Marcus Camby.
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I wonder how long before the Rasho to Portland for SAR trade talk begins again.
NOW!

SAR for Rasho and either a first-round pick or the rights to Luis Scola.

GIT 'ER DONE!


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SAR would be an good option for the Spurs, if they accept Rasho for him. Also, he would need to sign with a team option clausule in mid contract, because of the health concerns.

Also the Spurs would need to sign a center to replace Rasho, being able to help Nazr/Oberto with Shaq, which may be difficult with only half-MLE and LLE available.
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Yeah, why can't they have fired him so the Raptors can pick him up?
Why not just go for the homerun and check if Isiah Thomas wants back his old job?
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I hope the Bucks get this guy.

Ford/Redd/Simmons/SAR/Bogut

Not bad, not bad at all. If the Cavs fill in a couple more holes on their roster, and Chicago keeps all their players, the central is going to be hell. I like it.
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SAR would be an good option for the Spurs, if they accept Rasho for him.

Portland doesn't want any contracts back in return for SAR.
They were even reluctant to do the Nets deal.
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Also the Spurs would need to sign a center to replace Rasho, being able to help Nazr/Oberto with Shaq,
You wrote that for the second time now. Is it only me or the scenario to sign an additional center after Rasho's trade doesn't seem very probable?
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Portland doesn't want any contracts back in return for SAR.
They were even reluctant to do the Nets deal.
So what happens now? What are SAR's options now, besides Milwaukee?
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maybe he can go back to the Bucks and see if their offer still stands?
I read today on ESPN Insider that the Bucks' front office has done about as much spending (not very intelligently, I might add) as owner Herb Kohl is willing to do. What with Michael Redd's ridiculous deal, Bobby Simmons' similarly bloated (and frankly unnecessary, with them already having Desmond Mason) deal, their re-signing at a much-higher-than-reasonable price of Dan Gadzuric, as well as their having to pay Andrew Bogut quite handsomely as a #1 overall pick, there's no way in you-know-where that the Bucks would or could still sign Shareef.

I hate to start the rumor all over again (well, I don't mind that much, what with my well-known loathing of Nesterovic, at least to those who have viewed my posts ;) ), but the Spurs signing Abdur-Rahim under the same, 38/6 terms would not be a bad deal at all. It would allow them to reasonably justify using the one-time-only amnesty clause with Rasho, since they'd obviously then (after signing Shareef) be over the cap and therefore over the luxury tax threshold. I think this would work out beautifully, and actually put the Spurs at a lower yearly total salary (Rasho's $7.5 mil avg vs. Shareef's $6.33 mil avg) than they would with Rasho, albeit negligibly lower. And they'd obviously have a much more useful, skilled, versatile player to work with.

I know that this is just an idea, but it seems logical (to me, at least), so please don't just dismiss it as another wild and crazy rumor floating out there, as seems to be en vogue lately on these forums. We all know that the Spurs were trying to trade Rasho for Shareef earlier in the off season, only to be turned down, at least as it was being offered - as a straight-up trade (or sign-and-trade). So knowing that R.C. and Pop had had significant enough interest in him to make such a significant trade for him, we never know what the two have up their sleeves. So that's what makes this whole new development so intriguing. I would almost guarantee that they're back at it with some kind of discussions with Portland. It's just a matter of guessing how the Spurs would work it out this time, or sweeten the deal, so to speak. (You may notice that I'm sort of talking myself out of my initial proposal of simply dumping Rasho via the amnesty clause! :P ) So who knows. Maybe the Blazers would now be more interested in Nesterovic, maybe they'd like the rights to Scola, maybe they'd like Devin. Who the heck knows. I just think that this development of Shareef Abdur-Rahim being available again will make watching what the Spurs do extremely intriguing in the days and weeks ahead. (As for the amnesty clause, we have to remember that it can only be used until the 15th of this month, so maybe something will happen, if anything, more in days rather than weeks.)
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It sounds like he might go to Sactown.
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It sounds like he might go to Sactown.
Link? Where did you hear that from?
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Link? Where did you hear that from?
Local KHTK radio host Jim Kozimore says after confirming with Reefs agent and the Kings front office, that Reef will be a member of the Kings within the next few days."
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Link? Where did you hear that from?
Sactown radio, it's nothing solid.

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/show...9&page=1&pp=15

Yeah what AG said. Doh.
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one has to be careful with the evidence of wear and tear or an impending physical condition. our own sean elliot failed a physical that would have sent him to the rockets from detroit (thank goodness). the evidence of kidney disease was there but it was not an immediate threat. doctors could not state that the condition would worsen, just that it was a possibility, and though it did take 5 years, sean's kidneys did fail. with raheem there is evidence to suggest that an arthritic condition could arise. how soon? no one can say-but GM's are not much into gambling when it comes to big dollars and contracts.
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WOW!!!

Is there another P/C that will become available via Waivers or what?

What would be another option for SAR, now?
The way things have been going I bet he ends up with the HEAT so that all the writers can say that the HEAT are locks to win the championship. And somehow the HEAT will aquire JJ with the vet min and Pat Riley will win the GM of the year award in August.
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You wrote that for the second time now. Is it only me or the scenario to sign an additional center after Rasho's trade doesn't seem very probable?
Man, how many centers are you realistically supposed to keep on any one NBA roster, really??? I know everyone's worried about having enough big bodies to throw at Shaq to match up with him, but seriously, most NBA teams only carry two true centers. Other than that, teams who used to try to match up against the Lakers, and now the Heat, typically just threw/throw their end-of-the-bench power forwards at him once the centers pick up a few fouls. Other than that, there's really no need for any team to carry more than two true centers. (With the exception, of course, of if the starter gets injured.) So the scenario you mentioned above, at least the way I take it you felt/thought as being strange, simply adds to the possibility/likelihood that Rasho is the odd man out. I mean, seriously, aside from the several initial miscues he had while getting adjusted to his new team, Nazr Mohammad is, in my opinion, at least, clearly the better center than Rasho Nesterovic. And Oberto - for better or worse - is going to be a major part of this team. Aside from Mohammad just seeming to blend in perfectly with Tim down low and in the paint, and being a perfect compliment to him (something I've never felt with Nesterovic), Nazr is a much better rebounder than Nesterovic ever was or will be, is much more athletic than Rasho is, and he seems to just have this knack for knowing when and where to pick his spots to score - again, unlike Rasho. And from what I've heard of Fabricio Oberto, the guy is a near clone of Vlade Divac with regard to his passing skills and creativity around the basket. So if those things translate to his game in the NBA, he will end up being an absolutely incredible addition to the roster. Just the fact that he could be a player able to change the pace/tone of the game with those skills - at the center position, no less...something we haven't had since Big Dave left - makes Oberto and Mohammad more than enough for the Spurs to compete with anyone.

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Local KHTK radio host Jim Kozimore says after confirming with Reefs agent and the Kings front office, that Reef will be a member of the Kings within the next few days."
Damn, that would absolutely SUCK, but it does make some definite sense. The Kings do have Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner, but neither one of them - obviously - are anywhere even close to the freaking stratospehere of the talent level of Shareef Abdur-Raheem.

Only thing is, what in the world would Sacramento give up to get him? Without giving up serious, serious considerations (i.e., cash [which, admittedly, Paul Allen certainly has plenty of], plus multiple, multiple draft picks, what with them usually picking somewhere in the low to mid twenties), or one of their core pieces - whom they've said they don't want to part with (particularly Peja, despite him wanting out). The only other even somewhat equal-value players would be Brad Miller and Mike Bibby. I just don't see it happening. Or, more likely, I just don't want to see it happening!
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Damn, that would absolutely SUCK, but it does make some definite sense. The Kings do have Kenny Thomas and Brian Skinner, but neither one of them - obviously - are anywhere even close to the freaking stratospehere of the talent level of Shareef Abdur-Raheem.

Only thing is, what in the world would Sacramento give up to get him? Without giving up serious, serious considerations (i.e., cash [which, admittedly, Paul Allen certainly has plenty of], plus multiple, multiple draft picks, what with them usually picking somewhere in the low to mid twenties), or one of their core pieces - whom they've said they don't want to part with (particularly Peja, despite him wanting out). The only other even somewhat equal-value players would be Brad Miller and Mike Bibby. I just don't see it happening. Or, more likely, I just don't want to see it happening!
Skinner and Thomas aren't really starters material. But awesome for good minutes off the bench. So Brad Miller can pick up his fouls and what not, but then they can bring those guys off the bench. Sac should have a pretty good team next year.
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You wrote that for the second time now. Is it only me or the scenario to sign an additional center after Rasho's trade doesn't seem very probable?
Now or then... it is always good to get an star player for a role player, because role players are easier to get.

Maybe Portland accepts Rasho, now that their best trade option didnt work out. Przbilla and Ratliff are injured very often. And after cutting Derek Anderson they wont be in a luxury tax territory.

And if 'Reef accepts to sign a team option in middle of his contract to reduce the risk of a career ending injury, the things could be ok. IMO, he would be a terrific sixth man.

Free agents like Cambell, Mutombo or Dale Davis would help with both Yao and Shaq. They are veterans, but the Spurs would not need them to play many minutes.

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Only thing is, what in the world would Sacramento give up to get him? Without giving up serious, serious considerations (i.e., cash [which, admittedly, Paul Allen certainly has plenty of], plus multiple, multiple draft picks, what with them usually picking somewhere in the low to mid twenties), or one of their core pieces - whom they've said they don't want to part with (particularly Peja, despite him wanting out). The only other even somewhat equal-value players would be Brad Miller and Mike Bibby. I just don't see it happening. Or, more likely, I just don't want to see it happening!
I'm not sure, but I think the Kings didnt used the MLE. Porland cant force SAR to make a S&T deal, since he's an unrestricted FA.
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NOW!

SAR for Rasho and either a first-round pick or the rights to Luis Scola.

GIT 'ER DONE!

SAR for Rasho and 1st round pick is OK, but SAR for Rasho and rights to Scola is too much!
But I don't expect this trade to happen, it would be a pointless trade for the Jailblazers!
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