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08-09-05, 10:48 AM
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By LENN ROBBINS August 9, 2005 -- Jason Kidd was the lead recruiter as the Nets wooed free agent Shareef Abdur-Rahim. And Abdur-Rahim wants to play with Kidd. The question of whether the two Cal products will be NBA teammates remained uncertain yesterday, but must be answered by midnight tonight. That's when the Nets lose their $4.9 million trade exception, a key component of the sign-and-trade deal they worked out with the Trail Blazers for the 6-9 power forward. "We're running out of time," Kidd said yesterday at Basketball City. "The one good thing is we've got to make a decision. I just hope it's the right decision." That decision has become a gut-wrenching one for the Nets, who yesterday were reviewing the advice of three prominent orthopedic surgeons. If they complete the deal with Portland, they owe Abdul-Rahim $38 million over six years. There are questions if his right knee, which has scar tissue dating to 1993 when he underwent arthroscopic knee surgery, will become arthritic. "The business always gets in the way of basketball," said Kidd, who pointed out the Nets wouldn't be in this crunch if not for the labor dispute. "We went through this once before already. If it wasn't business, just strictly basketball, then this would be no issue. But the team has to protect itself. At the same time I think the two sides will find a happy medium. "Hopefully [Abdur-Rahim] will put us in the elite," said Kidd. "We plan on competing as much as Miami and Detroit and Indiana. We would like to be mentioned in that group." Instead of Abdur-Rahim, the Nets could turn their sights on Sacramento's Darius Songalia, Cleveland's DeSagana Diop, Miami's Malik Allen, Phoenix's Steven Hunter, or Brian Grant if the Lakers use their amnesty buyout. http://www.nypost.com/sports/nets/51081.htm      |
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08-09-05, 10:58 AM
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08-09-05, 11:18 AM
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38/6 seems like a steal for SAR. I think Jersey should gamble on this one.
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08-09-05, 11:31 AM
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if they sign him today so that they don't lose the trade exception, then they would have another five days to use the amnesty claus on him  @ ProjectGSX: i think many teams would gamble, b/c as you mention, 38/6 is not that much for a player like SAR who is in his prime. otherwise the nets are burnt childs b/c they lost big money when they gambled on Mourning. (and he was also signed b/c kidd wanted him on the team) |
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08-09-05, 04:22 PM
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Nets call off trade for F Abdur-Rahim August 9, 2005 EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey (Ticker) - Shareef Abdur-Rahim will not be playing home games in the Meadowlands next season. The New Jersey Nets on Tuesday called off their trade for the Portland Trail Blazers forward, five days after team president Rod Thorn announced the deal was on hold after "a question arose" concerning Abdur-Rahim's physical examination New Jersey had until August 12 to complete a sign-and-trade with Portland for Abdur-Rahim. ADVERTISEMENT The Nets and Trail Blazers had agreed on a deal, pending a physical, that would have sent the nine-year veteran to the Eastern Conference squad in exchange for New Jersey's lottery-protected first-round pick in 2006 and the team's trade exception as a result of the Kerry Kittles deal to the Los Angeles Clippers in 2004. "We were anticipating adding Shareef to our roster," Thorn said Tuesday. "However, during the course of his normal physical examination, some questions arose that gave us cause for concern. After consulting with several noted specialists, we feel that rescinding the trade is our best course of action. We will now look in other directions for ways to improve our team for the upcoming season." Abdur-Rahim was to receive a six-year contract worth $38 million in the sign-and-trade. Abdur-Rahim, 29, averaged 16.8 points and 7.3 rebounds while shooting better than 50 percent last season for Portland, where he accepted a reduced role with the Trail Blazers. He was to have manned New Jersey's frontcourt with improving center Nenad Krstic. The Nets have one of the best perimeter trios in the NBA in Jason Kidd, Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson. Last season, the Nets were 24th in rebounding margin and 26th in blocks margin. The third overall pick in the 1996 draft, Abdur-Rahim has averaged 19.8 points and 8.1 rebounds in 672 games for Vancouver, Atlanta and Portland. He was an All-Star in 2002 with Atlanta but has never played in the postseason. Updated on Tuesday, Aug 9, 2005 5:17 pm EDT http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...v=st&type=lgns |
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08-09-05, 04:33 PM
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08-09-05, 04:42 PM
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from ESPN: AST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The New Jersey Nets on Tuesday rescinded their trade with the Portland Trail Blazers for Shareef Abdur-Rahim after the forward failed a physical last week. "After consulting with several noted specialists, we felt that rescinding the trade is our best course of action," Nets president Rod Thorn said. "We will now look in other directions for ways to improve our team." The Nets did not elaborate on their decision. Abdur-Rahim missed 22 games with the Blazers last season after undergoing surgery on his right elbow in January. New Jersey agreed to a six-year deal with the 29-year-old veteran, who has averaged 19.8 points and 8.1 rebounds during his nine-year career with Vancouver, Atlanta and Portland. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2129971 |
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08-09-05, 04:43 PM
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It'll be interesting to see who the Nets go after.
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08-09-05, 04:45 PM
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I wonder if the Bucks would still be interested. |
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08-09-05, 05:03 PM
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This has been one incredibly SILLY offseason so far. A crazy owner that won't let JJ sign with Atlanta, a crazy prez who decides to back out of a STEAL contract for a 20/10 guy, and a 5-team trade.
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08-09-05, 05:03 PM
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Shareef to Spurs or bust.......!!!!!! 
__________________ UCLA!! "When nothing seems to help, I go look at a stonecutter hammering away at this rock perhaps 100 times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the 101st blow, it will split in two and I know it was not that blow that did it. But all that had gone before." - Jacob Riis |
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08-09-05, 05:03 PM
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WOW!!! Is there another P/C that will become available via Waivers or what? What would be another option for SAR, now? |
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08-09-05, 05:05 PM
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08-09-05, 05:06 PM
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08-09-05, 05:07 PM
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one-time amnesty rule where some players will get waived by August 15 and thus be made available for maybe a cheap contract. |
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08-09-05, 05:16 PM
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08-09-05, 05:17 PM
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08-09-05, 05:24 PM
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Not only does this mess up the signing options for the Nets but it also affects the remainder of the Blazers offseason signings where they will be without the trade exception. |
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08-09-05, 05:31 PM
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I wonder how long before the Rasho to Portland for SAR trade talk begins again.
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08-09-05, 05:39 PM
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Nets miss out on SAR but gets Marc Jackson instead.. not bad of a pick up.
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08-09-05, 05:41 PM
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Philadelphia trades Marc Jackson to New Jersey for a conditional second-round pick. http://www.nba.com/transactions/curr...nsactions.html
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08-09-05, 05:43 PM
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08-09-05, 05:49 PM
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Yeah, that was fast! However, Marc Jackson is no Shareef by any means. He is just another decent scorer who just happens to play at the center postion part-time (meaning only on the offensive end). It will be interesting if they do indeed have to use that trade exception by midnight. |
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08-09-05, 06:07 PM
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Marc Jackson scored for the Sixers because somebody up front has to score... He's not the consistent scorer that Abdur Raheem would have been for the Nets. I think the Nets blew it because what I've heard up here in Portland is Abdur Raheem has had this injury going back to high school and it has never affected him in the NBA (kinda like Ninja and the knee braces). He would have give them a nice low post presence. Maybe they were scared off because of the whole Zo Mourning thing last year. I would love to revisit the Rasho for Abdur Raheem trade. He would be great coming off the bench and as I'm up here in Blazerland, he's great in the community. If Duncan were to miss time to injuries, he would fit in nicely as a spot starter (more so than Malik or Horry). He could play some backup 5 as well against smaller centers like Kurt Thomas, Erik Dampier, Marcus Camby. |
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08-09-05, 06:16 PM
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SAR for Rasho and either a first-round pick or the rights to Luis Scola. GIT 'ER DONE!  Last edited by LAsucksForever; 08-09-05 at 06:20 PM. |
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08-09-05, 06:47 PM
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08-09-05, 07:12 PM
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SAR would be an good option for the Spurs, if they accept Rasho for him. Also, he would need to sign with a team option clausule in mid contract, because of the health concerns. Also the Spurs would need to sign a center to replace Rasho, being able to help Nazr/Oberto with Shaq, which may be difficult with only half-MLE and LLE available. |
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08-09-05, 07:12 PM
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__________________ UCLA!! "When nothing seems to help, I go look at a stonecutter hammering away at this rock perhaps 100 times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the 101st blow, it will split in two and I know it was not that blow that did it. But all that had gone before." - Jacob Riis |
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08-09-05, 07:57 PM
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I hope the Bucks get this guy. Ford/Redd/Simmons/SAR/Bogut Not bad, not bad at all. If the Cavs fill in a couple more holes on their roster, and Chicago keeps all their players, the central is going to be hell. I like it.
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08-09-05, 10:27 PM
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Portland doesn't want any contracts back in return for SAR. They were even reluctant to do the Nets deal. |
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08-09-05, 11:15 PM
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__________________ Blake: "From day 1, Ive backed up everything Ive said. People keep setting 'em up and I keep shooting 'em down." (Example of his legitimate reasoning: "Screw it.")
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08-09-05, 11:19 PM
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08-09-05, 11:23 PM
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I hate to start the rumor all over again (well, I don't mind that much, what with my well-known loathing of Nesterovic, at least to those who have viewed my posts ;) ), but the Spurs signing Abdur-Rahim under the same, 38/6 terms would not be a bad deal at all. It would allow them to reasonably justify using the one-time-only amnesty clause with Rasho, since they'd obviously then (after signing Shareef) be over the cap and therefore over the luxury tax threshold. I think this would work out beautifully, and actually put the Spurs at a lower yearly total salary (Rasho's $7.5 mil avg vs. Shareef's $6.33 mil avg) than they would with Rasho, albeit negligibly lower. And they'd obviously have a much more useful, skilled, versatile player to work with. I know that this is just an idea, but it seems logical (to me, at least), so please don't just dismiss it as another wild and crazy rumor floating out there, as seems to be en vogue lately on these forums. We all know that the Spurs were trying to trade Rasho for Shareef earlier in the off season, only to be turned down, at least as it was being offered - as a straight-up trade (or sign-and-trade). So knowing that R.C. and Pop had had significant enough interest in him to make such a significant trade for him, we never know what the two have up their sleeves. So that's what makes this whole new development so intriguing. I would almost guarantee that they're back at it with some kind of discussions with Portland. It's just a matter of guessing how the Spurs would work it out this time, or sweeten the deal, so to speak. (You may notice that I'm sort of talking myself out of my initial proposal of simply dumping Rasho via the amnesty clause! :P ) So who knows. Maybe the Blazers would now be more interested in Nesterovic, maybe they'd like the rights to Scola, maybe they'd like Devin. Who the heck knows. I just think that this development of Shareef Abdur-Rahim being available again will make watching what the Spurs do extremely intriguing in the days and weeks ahead. (As for the amnesty clause, we have to remember that it can only be used until the 15th of this month, so maybe something will happen, if anything, more in days rather than weeks.) |
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08-09-05, 11:35 PM
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It sounds like he might go to Sactown.
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08-09-05, 11:41 PM
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08-09-05, 11:42 PM
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http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/show...9&page=1&pp=15 Yeah what AG said. Doh.
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08-10-05, 12:05 AM
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one has to be careful with the evidence of wear and tear or an impending physical condition. our own sean elliot failed a physical that would have sent him to the rockets from detroit (thank goodness). the evidence of kidney disease was there but it was not an immediate threat. doctors could not state that the condition would worsen, just that it was a possibility, and though it did take 5 years, sean's kidneys did fail. with raheem there is evidence to suggest that an arthritic condition could arise. how soon? no one can say-but GM's are not much into gambling when it comes to big dollars and contracts.
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08-10-05, 12:27 AM
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08-10-05, 01:11 AM
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Only thing is, what in the world would Sacramento give up to get him? Without giving up serious, serious considerations (i.e., cash [which, admittedly, Paul Allen certainly has plenty of], plus multiple, multiple draft picks, what with them usually picking somewhere in the low to mid twenties), or one of their core pieces - whom they've said they don't want to part with (particularly Peja, despite him wanting out). The only other even somewhat equal-value players would be Brad Miller and Mike Bibby. I just don't see it happening. Or, more likely, I just don't want to see it happening! |
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08-10-05, 03:51 AM
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__________________ UCLA!! "When nothing seems to help, I go look at a stonecutter hammering away at this rock perhaps 100 times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the 101st blow, it will split in two and I know it was not that blow that did it. But all that had gone before." - Jacob Riis |
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08-10-05, 04:20 AM
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Now or then... it is always good to get an star player for a role player, because role players are easier to get.Maybe Portland accepts Rasho, now that their best trade option didnt work out. Przbilla and Ratliff are injured very often. And after cutting Derek Anderson they wont be in a luxury tax territory. And if 'Reef accepts to sign a team option in middle of his contract to reduce the risk of a career ending injury, the things could be ok. IMO, he would be a terrific sixth man. Free agents like Cambell, Mutombo or Dale Davis would help with both Yao and Shaq. They are veterans, but the Spurs would not need them to play many minutes. Quote:
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08-10-05, 06:51 AM
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But I don't expect this trade to happen, it would be a pointless trade for the Jailblazers!
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