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Old 07-18-14, 02:51 AM
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Old 07-18-14, 06:39 AM
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Old 07-18-14, 08:07 AM
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Hell yes!!! Pay da man! Only 22 and Finals MVP with 3 or 4 more years to only improve before he peaks for the next 5 yearrs?!?!?!? PAY HIM
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Old 07-18-14, 08:07 AM
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If we're going to give maximum contract, no need to extend it now.

He will be a restricted free-agent next year and we would match any offer. I don't think that any team will offer more than 5 years 100 million contract to him next summer. Moreover no team can offer more than 4 years.

Don't get me wrong, I love Kawhi. But from the business side, it's not logical to extend his contract with this values. Let's wait 1 more year and see what he can do next year. If he plays like this year, we can offer him 5 years maximum contract next summer.
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Old 07-18-14, 08:17 AM
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If we're going to give maximum contract, no need to extend it now.

He will be a restricted free-agent next year and we would match any offer. I don't think that any team will offer more than 5 years 100 million contract to him next summer. Moreover no team can offer more than 4 years.

Don't get me wrong, I love Kawhi. But from the business side, it's not logical to extend his contract with this values. Let's wait 1 more year and see what he can do next year. If he plays like this year, we can offer him 5 years maximum contract next summer.
The salary cap is projected to go up next year again and wouldn't that mean more for max players? It could be a bargain to sign him now as opposed to next year
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Old 07-18-14, 08:53 AM
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The salary cap is projected to go up next year again and wouldn't that mean more for max players? It could be a bargain to sign him now as opposed to next year
The estimated salary cap is 65M next year while it's 63M right now. Not a big increasement projected.

And even so, the maximum extension is 5 year 100M right now. Let's assume that next year it will be 5 years 105M. Why do we want to take the risk 1 year before to gain %5 bargain?

And beside this, his market value is at top at the moment. Yes he is an excellent player and has a star potential. But his stock won't be as high as this year.(Unless we win the trophy again and Kawhi becomes Finals MVP one more time)

That's why, if I was the investment consultant of Spurs, i would suggest them to wait 1 more year.
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Old 07-18-14, 10:24 AM
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Why did Lebron take a 2 year deal? That's when the new TV deal is expected to make a huge jump (there's an article outlining this on ESPN somewhere). It's why Gordon Hayward's max contract makes sense. As they said in the article "max money in 2014 isn't max money in 2016". Lock him up now before the balloon inflates!
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Old 07-18-14, 10:37 AM
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If the Spurs do it, then they must feel like it's a bargain. If they don't, then they are playing it safe because they want to see how he plays this year. Again, I've been a KY guy from the beginning, but he's still not as consistent offensively as I would like. And yes, I know his defense is great, but would you pay a defensive specialist max money? Would you have paid Bruce Bowen max money? No. I want to see him take on that leadership role, even if it's leadership by example. Which means he's going to have to get to the upper teens/close to 20 in scoring and keep his defense at a suffocating level.
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Old 07-18-14, 10:39 AM
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Why did Lebron take a 2 year deal? That's when the new TV deal is expected to make a huge jump (there's an article outlining this on ESPN somewhere). It's why Gordon Hayward's max contract makes sense. As they said in the article "max money in 2014 isn't max money in 2016". Lock him up now before the balloon inflates!
Exactly....thats what I thought as well but I don't know finacially how everything works...
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Old 07-18-14, 11:14 AM
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Extend the man now, before he has a chance to sniff at free agency.

Keep in mind that although he would be a RFA next year and we could match any offer, he could just decide to sign the qualifying offer and wait to become unrestricted and go back to southern California and play for the Lakers or something.

You don't want that, do you?
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Old 07-18-14, 11:42 AM
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Extend the man now, before he has a chance to sniff at free agency.

Keep in mind that although he would be a RFA next year and we could match any offer, he could just decide to sign the qualifying offer and wait to become unrestricted and go back to southern California and play for the Lakers or something.

You don't want that, do you?
Ha, he'll be playing for a pretty bad Lakers team. Hey, I won't complain if they extend him now. I just hope he lives up to the contract.
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Old 07-18-14, 11:57 AM
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maybe too much money..
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Old 07-18-14, 12:08 PM
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The money seems off the charts, but it's very much in line with what people like Parsons and Hayward are getting. I'd rather have Kawhi than either of those guys. The Spurs only meshed into the super-team that won last season's title after Kawhi returned from his hand injury. That was no coincidence.

The Spurs have acknowledged that Kawhi will be the face of the post-Big 3 franchise. That designation deserves that kind of payoff.
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Old 07-19-14, 01:54 AM
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Maximum money for Kawhi is way too much money. I like the kid but he hasn't enough consistency at high level to earn that kind of money. Oh well it's not my money
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Old 07-19-14, 09:16 AM
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Maximum money for Kawhi is way too much money. I like the kid but he hasn't enough consistency at high level to earn that kind of money. Oh well it's not my money
Too much money? The lakers will be done with Kobe's contract right when kawhi will reach ufa status. They would pay him max in a heartbeat.

The market sets what is too much. If anyone says that's too much, they need to explain how he's not as good as Kylie Irving, chris bosh or the homesick cramper he went toe to toe with in the finals.

And explain how he's only maybe as good as chandler parsons and Gordon Hayward.
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Old 07-19-14, 11:38 AM
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Too much money? The lakers will be done with Kobe's contract right when kawhi will reach ufa status. They would pay him max in a heartbeat.

The market sets what is too much. If anyone says that's too much, they need to explain how he's not as good as Kylie Irving, chris bosh or the homesick cramper he went toe to toe with in the finals.

And explain how he's only maybe as good as chandler parsons and Gordon Hayward.
I understand the market aspect of it. And the Lakers would pay max because after Kobe they have squat. But when I say it's too much, I'm talking about actual play on the court. My argument is that he needs to not only be the defensive juggernaut he is, but he ALSO must score consistently in the late teens at the very least. I don't believe Parsons and Hayward deserve their contracts either. Kyrie, Bosh and Lebron are all MUCH better than KY, at least at this point.

Now I have no problem if the Spurs extend him now, even at max. But he better live up to that contract.
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Old 07-19-14, 12:36 PM
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Is it just me or max contracts and or players requesting max money contracts getting out of control?
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Old 07-19-14, 02:50 PM
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It's the nature of the capitalist market system to ask for as much money as you can possibly get and to prefer bargaining from a position of strength.

Patty would have made way more money this summer if he hadn't been hurt. Spurs were willing to wait for him to heal, giving them the strength at the bargaining table.

Tim has spoiled Spur fans with his willingness to sacrifice. Arguably, Manu and TP have done the same.

Kawhi may be soft-spoken or mute, but you can bet that his agent won't be. He'd get close to the max if he hits the open market. So if the Spurs want to keep him, they have to pay up at full market price.

I appreciate Uwe's perspective about about "actual play on the court", but that's not how deals are cut in a capitalist system.
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Old 07-21-14, 12:22 AM
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Kawhi does not deserve max money. He, like KD said, is in the perfect system for him. He hasn't even been to an All-Star game yet. Finals MVP and an ESPY don't qualify for max money. Does he deserve a raise? Hell yes. But can he carry this team on his back without TD, TP, and Manu? Probably not yet. If he can demonstrate the ability to get close to 20pts and some team leading combo of reb/stl/assist/blk, is in consideration for All-Star, and maybe makes all-defensive first team or at least improves his status toward that, I think you'll have a case toward near max money.

The argument that just becouse other lesser players got more doesn't translate. That's why the Spurs are perennial title contenders and others (Utah, Toronto) aren't.
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Old 07-21-14, 10:06 AM
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Kawhi does not deserve max money. He, like KD said, is in the perfect system for him. He hasn't even been to an All-Star game yet. Finals MVP and an ESPY don't qualify for max money. Does he deserve a raise? Hell yes. But can he carry this team on his back without TD, TP, and Manu? Probably not yet. If he can demonstrate the ability to get close to 20pts and some team leading combo of reb/stl/assist/blk, is in consideration for All-Star, and maybe makes all-defensive first team or at least improves his status toward that, I think you'll have a case toward near max money.

The argument that just becouse other lesser players got more doesn't translate. That's why the Spurs are perennial title contenders and others (Utah, Toronto) aren't.


agree... plus, he already has some health issues that can spoil long term success
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Old 07-21-14, 11:29 AM
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Just to add to all this.....cap room or not Kawhi is not a max player at this time
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Old 07-21-14, 11:48 AM
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Neither Tony nor Manu got max money when their level of play was proven for seasons and at a higher level than what Kawhi has shown. Doesn't make sense for the front office to change their philosophy now on what they should pay players. Would almost be a slight to Tony and Manu if Kawhi got a five year max.
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Old 07-21-14, 01:10 PM
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I get the arguments on both sides, but for me one of the big issues is the likely new TV deal/cap increase/potential lockout coming in two years.

It's projected the league will see a massive increase in revenue which will by the CBA terms significantly increase the salary cap, but not to where players would like it and they are anticipating holding out for more.

So a "max" contract now will likely look like a bargain in 3 years even if Kawhi isn't a significantly improved player.
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I get the arguments on both sides, but for me one of the big issues is the likely new TV deal/cap increase/potential lockout coming in two years.

It's projected the league will see a massive increase in revenue which will by the CBA terms significantly increase the salary cap, but not to where players would like it and they are anticipating holding out for more.

So a "max" contract now will likely look like a bargain in 3 years even if Kawhi isn't a significantly improved player.
19 million a year in the third year of a contract is hardly a bargain for anyone.
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Old 07-22-14, 02:51 PM
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Tony & Manu were from a different era, I trust the Spurs to be fair to both sides.
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19 million a year in the third year of a contract is hardly a bargain for anyone.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/peterlauria/...ll-for-the-nba

The NBA could see its TV revenues go up between 90% and 125% of what they are now.

So if, let's say, the salary cap is $130 mil/year in three years instead of $65 mil/year now, doesn't $18 mil/year, a little over a tenth of that, sound less than crazy?

Maybe that doesn't pan out. But a lot of franchises will be betting the farm that it does and paying top dollar for free
agents in the hope that a new TV deal/CBA covers their tracks.

That and the short-term deals in the new CBA are making teams less gunshy than ever about throwing money at free agents. Hey, if it doesn't work out, the salary cap will probably be higher next year and he's only here for 3 years so I'm not in salary cap hell for the next five or six.

That is the market we will be in to bid for Kawhi's services, like it or not.
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Tony & Manu were from a different era, I trust the Spurs to be fair to both sides.
Exactly. TP and Manu had the misfortune of playing their primes in an era of (1) stagnant revenue and hence more or less static salary caps (2) very few teams with available cap space because they were all tying up their money in long term deals with marginal talent.
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Old 07-23-14, 12:06 AM
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If TV revenues are supposed to increase that much, than what should happen IMO is that ticket prices should drop instead of wasting all that extra profit on salary cap. The league should think about the consumer, joe fan, at some point. It will never happen, but it should.
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Fernando Martin: James Worthy: "Kawhi Leonard reminds me of myself". #BigGameJames #SugarKLeonard @GIGANTESbasket Twitter @fmartinBasket
I want Kawhi to study tapes of Worthy and Pippen!
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I want Kawhi to study tapes of Worthy and Pippen!
He will never be a Pippen. That's not his game. Worthy was an awesome player. Sean Elliot said he was the hardest player for him to guard in his entire career. Think of that "era" and that statement means a lot. Worthy was an offensive wizard.
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