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choppsboy 12-17-13 08:20 AM

Our Record Doesn't Mean Anything
 
Our record doesn't mean anything if we lose every time we play any of the other 4 or 5 good teams in the league.

I would rather be losing a few to the Bucks, Kings, and Jazz of the league than to lose every time we play a contender.

We are 5 and 5 against teams with a winning record.

Uwe Blab 12-17-13 10:03 AM

I thought this at first too, but really, the reasons why they lost are fixable, for the most part. Turnovers, 3pt defense and 3pt offense. Splitter was useless, which may be a concern.

alh1020 12-17-13 10:49 AM

I have to agree. When you turn the ball over more than 20 times against any NBA team, the opponent will always be in the game. What bothered me was their big men got to the line too many times and surprisingly, made the majority of their shots. We nonchalanted our passes between players, played some pretty shabby defense and I don’t care what anybody says, the loss of Parker for the 4th quarter hurt us. At times the Spurs looked like they really didn’t want to be there, no emotion displayed. The Spurs need to concentrate on the game at hand and not dwell on the past or future. And the Spurs probably could have benefited by Splitter staying on the sick list another day.

doom32x4 12-17-13 12:43 PM

*Singing "The Sky is Falling" by QOTSA*

:laugh

Stop worrying people, hell, they lost by like 30 late last year. NBA seasons ebb and flow, even Miami looked like hot garbage for stretches in seasons past.

tenthousandaces 12-17-13 01:53 PM

Our *performances* vs winning teams are an ominous sign.

Spurd_On 12-17-13 01:54 PM

To this point, they "ebb" when they play a balanced offensive and defensive contender and "flow" when they don't. Its not a pretty pattern. I hope it ends soon. Miami has a tendency to just become complacent and lose to just any team which doesn't seem to be the pattern here so far.

polk 12-17-13 02:40 PM

This is a bad trend and as always it comes down to matchups. Based on matchups, I don't think the Spurs are better that INDY or OKC. LAC and HOU present matchup problems but not quite ready to say they are better despite the recent losses. As far as MIA is concerned, you'd like to think the Spurs could capitalize on their size advantage but that didn't work out last year.

At the quarter pole, it's INDY and OKC and then everyone else.

cheesehead4spurs 12-17-13 06:22 PM

:bangheadhave to agree. We are spectacular against the lesser teams, but the contenders are showing that we have some gaping holes. I hope things straighten out or we won't progress very far in the post season.

grizzly_bexar 12-17-13 09:27 PM

I do see the same kind of pattern as in the years pre-Kawhi/Danny. It seems like we play great against bad teams and mediocre against the elite teams. I think it is fixable as we haven't lost the personnel that played so mentally tough last year.

bills0 12-18-13 05:37 PM

This is something to be worried about to be sure but there are a few things to remember.

First, no one except Parker is averaging more than 30 minutes per game so far this season, and Parker is right at 30. Some of the starters play a bit more against the better teams but not a lot more.

Second, traditionally the Spurs have used the first part of the season to experiment with lineups and to giving the bench players an extended look.

Third, despite the above, the Spurs are only one loss behind the league leaders.

It seems to me that the Spurs are just coasting right now.

clovisnmspurfan 12-18-13 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bills0 (Post 1306464)
This is something to be worried about to be sure but there are a few things to remember.

First, no one except Parker is averaging more than 30 minutes per game so far this season, and Parker is right at 30. Some of the starters play a bit more against the better teams but not a lot more.

Second, traditionally the Spurs have used the first part of the season to experiment with lineups and to giving the bench players an extended look.

Third, despite the above, the Spurs are only one loss behind the league leaders.

It seems to me that the Spurs are just coasting right now.

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Rzarector7 12-19-13 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by polk (Post 1306436)
This is a bad trend and as always it comes down to matchups. Based on matchups, I don't think the Spurs are better that INDY or OKC. LAC and HOU present matchup problems but not quite ready to say they are better despite the recent losses. As far as MIA is concerned, you'd like to think the Spurs could capitalize on their size advantage but that didn't work out last year.

At the quarter pole, it's INDY and OKC and then everyone else.

Where is Portland at in there? They give the Spurs more problems the last 5 years than anyone.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bills0 (Post 1306464)
This is something to be worried about to be sure but there are a few things to remember.

First, no one except Parker is averaging more than 30 minutes per game so far this season, and Parker is right at 30. Some of the starters play a bit more against the better teams but not a lot more.

Second, traditionally the Spurs have used the first part of the season to experiment with lineups and to giving the bench players an extended look.

Third, despite the above, the Spurs are only one loss behind the league leaders.

It seems to me that the Spurs are just coasting right now.

^^^^^^^^ THIS.

polk 12-19-13 09:28 AM

[quote=Rzarector7;1306468]Where is Portland at in there? They give the Spurs more problems the last 5 years than anyone.

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Good catch here. Hard to believe but I completely forgot about Portland. Another bad matchup

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choppsboy 12-19-13 10:06 AM

The biggest problem I see, and the reason I made this post is when do the Spurs learn how to play against the other great teams in the league when we play them so infrequently? How will we know if we are improving? We can't tell that we are getting better by our record when so many teams out there suck so bad that we beat them by huge margins.

I will only be able to judge our chances at getting a title by our record against good teams, so our overall record doesn't mean anything.

I also don't like the fact that our players play so few minutes. We might think that we are saving them for the playoffs. However, in the playoffs Tony Parker was warn out . . . . Why should he have been warn out when his minutes were so spared in the regular season? Maybe it is because his body wasn't used to playing 36 minutes per game because he only played 30 minutes per game all year. I hope that as we approach the end of the season, we play our best players the same type of minutes we expect them to play in the playoffs so their bodies can get used to that.

ibanezsr 12-19-13 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by choppsboy (Post 1306472)
The biggest problem I see, and the reason I made this post is when do the Spurs learn how to play against the other great teams in the league when we play them so infrequently? How will we know if we are improving? We can't tell that we are getting better by our record when so many teams out there suck so bad that we beat them by huge margins.

I will only be able to judge our chances at getting a title by our record against good teams, so our overall record doesn't mean anything.

I also don't like the fact that our players play so few minutes. We might think that we are saving them for the playoffs. However, in the playoffs Tony Parker was warn out . . . . Why should he have been warn out when his minutes were so spared in the regular season? Maybe it is because his body wasn't used to playing 36 minutes per game because he only played 30 minutes per game all year. I hope that as we approach the end of the season, we play our best players the same type of minutes we expect them to play in the playoffs so their bodies can get used to that.

I wouldn't put too much weight on the teams they lost to quite yet. 3 out of their 5 losses occurred in the 3rd game of a 4 day stretch. Two of those "3-in-4 night" losses came on the 2nd end of a back-2-back. The other 2 losses (of the 5) were against OKC (who had 2 days rest to prepare for the Spurs) and Indiana (who had 3 days rest to prepare for SA). I have been betting hoops for the last twenty yrs and made a good amount of money betting on these type of scenarios. Odds are against any team in those situations.

choppsboy 12-20-13 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ibanezsr (Post 1306493)
I wouldn't put too much weight on the teams they lost to quite yet. 3 out of their 5 losses occurred in the 3rd game of a 4 day stretch. Two of those "3-in-4 night" losses came on the 2nd end of a back-2-back. The other 2 losses (of the 5) were against OKC (who had 2 days rest to prepare for the Spurs) and Indiana (who had 3 days rest to prepare for SA). I have been betting hoops for the last twenty yrs and made a good amount of money betting on these type of scenarios. Odds are against any team in those situations.

good points and more evidence that our record doesn't mean anything.

JuanCaca 12-20-13 11:47 AM

our record doesn't mean anything... unless is a win without timmy, tony and manu LOLOL

choppsboy 12-20-13 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JuanCaca (Post 1306505)
our record doesn't mean anything... unless is a win without timmy, tony and manu LOLOL

And against a team that is above .500 to boot!

TodTango 12-20-13 10:53 PM

Isn't this the way they always play until SPAM?
I don't really pay attention to the gamescores moreso its about gameplay. They've lost some close ones but still they are just behind Portland and OKC.

Belinelli is Gary Neal with more consistent O & D. I like the Manu and Marco show and think that this 2nd go-round will be really productive.

rooster 12-21-13 12:51 PM

We should just go a head and trade Tim ,Manu and Tony . this team has proven that they can win without them . Come on guys you don't win championships in December. Now if they are still losing to good team in April then we can all worry.

Uwe Blab 12-22-13 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rooster (Post 1306528)
We should just go a head and trade Tim ,Manu and Tony . this team has proven that they can win without them . Come on guys you don't win championships in December. Now if they are still losing to good team in April then we can all worry.

You're right, but it still sucks in the meantime. Now I'm wondering if the Spurs have enough horses to take down OKC. Even though I know KY didn't play.

MRJONESIII 12-22-13 08:33 AM

Splitter is still garbage on the offensive end....missing lay-ups, airballing that crappy ass hook shot and Danny Green is looking terrible. If Green can hit 3's and score, he's useless. And all that closing out on 3 point shooters and leaving his feet is murder on our defense. But we should expect this from Tiago,it's his first big contract year. Usually what happens, get a big contract, and play like crap. Trade them both.

doom32x4 12-22-13 05:30 PM

Uwe, KY didn't play because he apparently had dental surgery, I once got a dry socket after wisdom tooth surgery and was in agony for like two days. I needed a ton of vicoden to just blunt it, so I.can understand if he had something similar happen.

tuncaboylu 12-23-13 01:22 AM

I want to expand it and say that regular season record doesn't mean anything for us. The season starts in play-offs, we all can sleep until that time.

exit7 12-23-13 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRJONESIII (Post 1306542)
Splitter is still garbage on the offensive end....missing lay-ups, airballing that crappy ass hook shot and Danny Green is looking terrible. If Green can hit 3's and score, he's useless. And all that closing out on 3 point shooters and leaving his feet is murder on our defense. But we should expect this from Tiago,it's his first big contract year. Usually what happens, get a big contract, and play like crap. Trade them both.

I agree about Green, he has no offensive game other than shooting the three. He makes terrible passes, and I can't stand how he closes out on shooters. He is the only one that leaves his feet like that, I don't understand how pop hasn't corrected that.

Marco should get the start over him at this point. But then that takes him away from that second unit with manu and patty, and they have been playing so well together.<!-- END TEMPLATE: newpost_quote -->

Spurd_On 12-23-13 01:40 PM

The Power Rankings this week have the Spurs at #6 behind, the Thunder, Blazers, Pacers, Heat and Clippers and just ahead of the Suns and Rockets.

I have to say that I agree with it. The teams above them have proven they can put the Spurs away. The Spurs still have 55 regular season games to somehow to turn that around but there are no signs of it as yet.

pjm 12-23-13 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tuncaboylu (Post 1306554)
I want to expand it and say that regular season record doesn't mean anything for us. The season starts in play-offs, we all can sleep until that time.

As much as I would like to agree with that, unfortunately I think last year is a good example of why the regular season does matter.
I don't think the actual record matters as much as Home Court does. There is no way to know what would have happened in a different scenario but I'm pretty sure if you ask any player from the Spurs or the Pacers they would have loved to play that Game 7 at home against the Heat.


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