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Spursin6 07-10-13 12:54 AM

AK47: The Deal That Couldn't Get Done
 
The San Antonio Spurs' exploration of acquiring free-agent forward Andrei Kirilenko in a sign-and-trade agreement with the Minnesota Timberwolves has passed without completion, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.Y! SPORTS

tuncaboylu 07-10-13 01:07 AM

Damn why? We could send Bonner, Mills and a 1st round. Wasn't it enoguh for Wolves?

joyner 07-10-13 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tuncaboylu (Post 1303033)
Damn why? We could send Bonner, Mills and a 1st round. Wasn't it enoguh for Wolves?

Probably not. Bonner and Mills wouldn't be perceived as valuable, and a Spurs 1st round pick is almost guaranteed to in the last 4-6 picks of the draft, and statistically those players have very little chance of success in the NBA (Source: Assessing the Relative Value of Draft Position in the NBA Draft). Trading AK-47 for those three would basically be giving him away.

Spursin6 07-10-13 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by joyner (Post 1303034)
Probably not. Bonner and Mills wouldn't be perceived as valuable, and a Spurs 1st round pick is almost guaranteed to in the last 4-6 picks of the draft, and statistically those players have very little chance of success in the NBA (Source: Assessing the Relative Value of Draft Position in the NBA Draft). Trading AK-47 for those three would basically be giving him away.

Agreed. I see some kinda move coming in the next few days. No way the Spurs go into the season with eleventiy billion 2 guards and no back up SF.

Rzarector7 07-10-13 01:23 AM

Oh well, move on.... It was not meant to be in the cards.

tuncaboylu 07-10-13 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by joyner (Post 1303034)
Probably not. Bonner and Mills wouldn't be perceived as valuable, and a Spurs 1st round pick is almost guaranteed to in the last 4-6 picks of the draft, and statistically those players have very little chance of success in the NBA (Source: Assessing the Relative Value of Draft Position in the NBA Draft). Trading AK-47 for those three would basically be giving him away.

But they're gonna lose him without getting anything. Due to reports, 2014 draft will be deep as hell and similar to 2003 draft. Remember, we sold our 2012 draft first pick to GSW to 10M.(In exchange of SJax-Jefferson trade)

I don't believe that Wolves will get a better offer from another team.

joyner 07-10-13 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Spursin6 (Post 1303038)
Agreed. I see some kinda move coming in the next few days. No way the Spurs go into the season with eleventiy billion 2 guards and no back up SF.

I'm not so sure. The Spurs' guard rotation isn't actually that deep -- Parker, Ginobili, Green, Belinelli, Neal. The trio of Mills, Joseph, and De Colo is, in my opinion, too poor to consider regular rotation players, and Neal's secretly awful. In terms of actually competent players, we're only four-deep at the guard spots.

That, combined with the league's tendency toward small ball, suggests to me that another SF isn't our biggest need. A true backup PG, I think, is more pressing, unless Joseph take a major step forward this year.

tuncaboylu 07-10-13 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by joyner (Post 1303042)
I'm not so sure. The Spurs' guard rotation isn't actually that deep -- Parker, Ginobili, Green, Belinelli, Neal. The trio of Mills, Joseph, and De Colo is, in my opinion, too poor to consider regular rotation players, and Neal's secretly awful. In terms of actually competent players, we're only four-deep at the guard spots.

That, combined with the league's tendency toward small ball, suggests to me that another SF isn't our biggest need. A true backup PG, I think, is more pressing, unless Joseph take a major step forward this year.

I believe that Cory is improving very fast and deserves some minutes. And Nando is also have some potential who was a very good player in Europe. We can get rid of Mills, he's a cute guy but his role shouldn't be more than towel holder.

If we're not going to use Green in SF spot when Kawhi is resting, we're crowded on guard spot.

spurduncan21 07-10-13 03:28 AM

Hopefully deal is not dead. That's my only hope :)

spurduncan21 07-10-13 03:46 AM

I would like to know the pieces involved. Deal is believed to between $8-9M per year. Hopefully talks resume. I am convinced the FO does pull off a sign and trade. Does anyone know our salary cap right now? Do we have MLE left?

ALSPURS 07-10-13 09:05 AM

I will never doubt WOJO...he is the best that breaks stories...

But he really does not give you great insight as to what deadline?

Could there be a rekindle of talks soon?

I want AK47 bad like some of you guys want him as well....

Hopefully they will extend the deadline and get something done..

WILLTHETHRILL 07-10-13 10:17 AM

Bonner's trade value has gone down since his team buyout time has passed.

joyner 07-10-13 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by spurduncan21 (Post 1303046)
I would like to know the pieces involved. Deal is believed to between $8-9M per year. Hopefully talks resume. I am convinced the FO does pull off a sign and trade. Does anyone know our salary cap right now? Do we have MLE left?

Nope. Split it all between Belinelli and Pendergraph.

spurduncan21 07-10-13 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by joyner (Post 1303063)
Nope. Split it all between Belinelli and Pendergraph.

I read a report off another spurs forum that there can be up $2M left. Nevertheless, a sign and trade would be required to acquire AK. I just hope it gets done and we also sign Oden with a guaranteed 2 year contract somehow.

Rzarector7 07-10-13 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spurduncan21 (Post 1303070)
I read a report off another spurs forum that there can be up $2M left. Nevertheless, a sign and trade would be required to acquire AK. I just hope it gets done and we also sign Oden with a guaranteed 2 year contract somehow.

Talks are off for now so I would stop hoping it gets done or thinking about it, guess we will have to move on and look elsewhere. I wanted them to be able to sign him outright, but that did not happen.

pessimist 07-10-13 03:00 PM

The good news is that we signed Splitter to that amazing deal. A player that sat on the bench cowering during the NBA Finals. A player who because absolutely worthless when the pick and roll was taken away. A player who once he got his shot blocked . . . went to the end of the bench and cried.

joyner 07-10-13 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pessimist (Post 1303090)
The good news is that we signed Splitter to that amazing deal. A player that sat on the bench cowering during the NBA Finals. A player who because absolutely worthless when the pick and roll was taken away. A player who once he got his shot blocked . . . went to the end of the bench and cried.

Remember when Parker was benched in favor of Speedy Claxton in his first NBA Finals? It's so good that we used that to judge Parker's value going forward, and his disastrous career didn't negatively impact us. Yes, Splitter's older, but the point is that you don't use 7 games from a poor match-up to evaluate a player's value.

What you use is a huge sample of games and advanced measurements of effectiveness. Splitter was a top-50 player last year in PER, true shooting percentage, effective FG%, offensive rating, and defensive rating, and top-30 in offensive, defensive, and net win shares, and #10 in the league in win shares per 48 minutes. We got a good deal.

alh1020 07-10-13 06:11 PM

Found these little tidbits:

The San Antonio Spurs' exploration of acquiring free-agent forward Andrei Kirilenko in a sign-and-trade agreement with the Minnesota Timberwolves has passed without completion, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Yahoo! Sports (already reported above)

The Spurs seriously considered a multiyear offer for Kirilenko, but Minnesota general manager Flip Saunders has shown little, if any, inclination to assist him in securing a significant financial contract elsewhere, sources said. Yahoo! Sports

Link: HoopsHype - San Antonio Spurs Rumors

spurduncan21 07-10-13 07:06 PM

Well the situation may change or a third team might have to be involved

tuncaboylu 07-11-13 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pessimist (Post 1303090)
The good news is that we signed Splitter to that amazing deal. A player that sat on the bench cowering during the NBA Finals. A player who because absolutely worthless when the pick and roll was taken away. A player who once he got his shot blocked . . . went to the end of the bench and cried.

After seeing the other moves in free-agency, I'm very happy with Splitter deal. It's not a bargain of course, but it's not overpaid too.

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Originally Posted by joyner (Post 1303092)
Remember when Parker was benched in favor of Speedy Claxton in his first NBA Finals? It's so good that we used that to judge Parker's value going forward, and his disastrous career didn't negatively impact us. Yes, Splitter's older, but the point is that you don't use 7 games from a poor match-up to evaluate a player's value.

Very right, and as addtion:

Parker was bad against New Jersey in his first finals and he were worse against Detroit in his second. He became finals MVP in his 3rd attempt.

blaze24k 07-11-13 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by joyner (Post 1303092)
Remember when Parker was benched in favor of Speedy Claxton in his first NBA Finals? It's so good that we used that to judge Parker's value going forward, and his disastrous career didn't negatively impact us. Yes, Splitter's older, but the point is that you don't use 7 games from a poor match-up to evaluate a player's value.

What you use is a huge sample of games and advanced measurements of effectiveness. Splitter was a top-50 player last year in PER, true shooting percentage, effective FG%, offensive rating, and defensive rating, and top-30 in offensive, defensive, and net win shares, and #10 in the league in win shares per 48 minutes. We got a good deal.

Well said.

+1

montgod 07-11-13 08:28 AM

Possible future signing if successfully bought out is Caron Butler who Spurs were interested in past. Not an exciting signing but decent backup who can shoot 3.

ALSPURS 07-11-13 08:47 AM

Butler would not be bad....

grizzly_bexar 07-11-13 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joyner (Post 1303092)
Remember when Parker was benched in favor of Speedy Claxton in his first NBA Finals? It's so good that we used that to judge Parker's value going forward, and his disastrous career didn't negatively impact us. Yes, Splitter's older, but the point is that you don't use 7 games from a poor match-up to evaluate a player's value.

What you use is a huge sample of games and advanced measurements of effectiveness. Splitter was a top-50 player last year in PER, true shooting percentage, effective FG%, offensive rating, and defensive rating, and top-30 in offensive, defensive, and net win shares, and #10 in the league in win shares per 48 minutes. We got a good deal.

Nicely done.

WILLTHETHRILL 07-11-13 06:51 PM

Really want a tall athletic above the rim center with shot blocking ability. Not AK47


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