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Old 06-27-13, 09:35 PM
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With the 28th pick the spurs take...

Livio Jean Charles


Stealing the show at the 2013 Nike Hoop Summit, Livio Jean-Charles did more to help himself over the course of the week than any player in attendance, leading to his declaration for the 2013 NBA Draft. The French forward had already generated some buzz among NBA scouts with his consistent play in practice, but exploded for 27 points and 13 rebounds against the USA Junior National Select Team on game day. Both of those totals rank in the top-7 in the 16-year history of the event.

Jean-Charles began the week doing the same things that ultimately led to his historic performance in the game; moving well without the ball, running the floor tirelessly, finishing at the rim, and making the most of his athleticism and 7'2 wingspan by playing with great intensity on both ends of the floor. Standing out in practice with his ability to do a lot of the little things NBA scouts look for in a combo forward, Jean-Charles showed promising potential as a roleplayer.

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Old 06-27-13, 09:38 PM
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I wanted Franklin with this pick but ya gotta trust te spurs FO and their overseas knowledge
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Old 06-27-13, 09:40 PM
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I think it is safe to assume this pick was not made for Houston.
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Old 06-27-13, 09:41 PM
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Yet another draft and stash that we probably wont ever see
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Old 06-27-13, 09:41 PM
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I like this pic. This guy fits really well with his length, athleticism, and shooting. He seems like a really versatile player that would fit in interchangeably with Leonard at the 3/4 positions.

Seems like he has the length to be a good shot blocker.
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Old 06-27-13, 09:42 PM
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19 years old and form Parker team in France....
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I think it is safe to assume this pick was not made for Houston.
Why not? He is a guy who doesn't have to come over this year.
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Old 06-27-13, 09:49 PM
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Just because I doubt the Rockets had this guy on their radar. Although the fact that he can be stashed for years may be the Spurs attempt to sell it to the Rockets.
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Just because I doubt the Rockets had this guy on their radar. Although the fact that he can be stashed for years may be the Spurs attempt to sell it to the Rockets.
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Old 06-27-13, 10:01 PM
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Old 06-27-13, 10:15 PM
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just maybe we trade our pick to rockets for Thomas Robinson and Isaiah Cannon pg but who really knows...
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Old 06-27-13, 10:21 PM
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David Aldridge: Livio Jean-Charles likely to stay overseas for at least one year. Twitter

Well, that's certainly a surprise to Spurs fans.
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Old 06-27-13, 10:32 PM
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From CBS Sports - Matt Moore
Grade D-Spurs select: Livio Jean-Charles, SF, French Guiana
I think they could have gotten him later if they traded down.
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Old 06-27-13, 10:34 PM
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I could be wrong, and the guys may fix this in free agency, but it just seems like theres a lack of urgency to get some guys that can help immediately.
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I don't think there's a lack of urgency. I think it's a lack of desperation, which is what you see from most teams. The need to reach and pray for a miracle rather than taking a deep breath and doing the best you can To help the franchise, whether it's someone who is on the roster tomorrow or three years from now.
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Old 06-27-13, 10:58 PM
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Grade D-Spurs select: Livio Jean-Charles, SF, French Guiana
I think they could have gotten him later if they traded down.
Sounds like Matt Moore needs some tutoring on how NBA money works. Same reason the Mavs were going to draft an international player at 13 if they couldn't find any takers for that pick.
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Old 06-27-13, 11:36 PM
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Frankly my initial estimation is this guy could play with us right now. Has a jumpshot, he has the length to protect the rim, and his only major issue is he's not strong enough to guard power forwards. So why not have Kawhi Leonard guarding fours and him guarding threes? Play some zone?
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Old 06-27-13, 11:40 PM
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Interesting tweets

@JMcDonald_SAEN: Jean-Charles basically blew up at the Nike Hoops Summit in April. Won MVP. Then didn't work out for any NBA teams. His closing argument.

@JMcDonald_SAEN: Buford said Spurs had Livio Jean-Charles rated as one of the top 20 players in the draft.

@JMcDonald_SAEN: Buford said not to expect Jean-Charles to play for Spurs this season. Beyond that, no timetable.
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2h
Spurs pick of Jean-Charles gives them a player that they can stash overseas next season and spare a roster spot and salary.
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Worth noting: Buford acknowledged building cap space was part of calculus in selecting draft-and-stash guy.
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RC Buford's post-draft interview.

Draft Recap: R.C. Buford | video | THE OFFICIAL SITE OF THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS
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I think this pick was guy they could have had at the #37-#40 spots. I think they could have traded down. He averaged 1.5 and 3.3 point per the last two seasons. I give them a D- on the draft grade.
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This was a "F### It" pick. I doubt this guy will ever see an NBA court. Same with the second round pick.
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Old 06-28-13, 01:14 AM
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We were a rebound away from winning it all, no need for crazy moves in the draft. Come on.
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We were a rebound away from winning it all, no need for crazy moves in the draft. Come on.
This wasn't the draft to make crazy moves. But if you think this same team can get to the Finals again and win, with Manu older, Tim older, Westbrook back in the playoffs, Clippers with a much better coach, Chicago with Rose back, Indiana with Granger back, Brooklyn with KG and Pierce now, and Miami with possibly an uninjured Wade, you're crazy. They've got to get another impact player.
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This wasn't the draft to make crazy moves. But if you think this same team can get to the Finals again and win, with Manu older, Tim older, Westbrook back in the playoffs, Clippers with a much better coach, Chicago with Rose back, Indiana with Granger back, Brooklyn with KG and Pierce now, and Miami with possibly an uninjured Wade, you're crazy. They've got to get another impact player.
And that would be Tyreke Evans!
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This wasn't the draft to make crazy moves. But if you think this same team can get to the Finals again and win, with Manu older, Tim older, Westbrook back in the playoffs, Clippers with a much better coach, Chicago with Rose back, Indiana with Granger back, Brooklyn with KG and Pierce now, and Miami with possibly an uninjured Wade, you're crazy. They've got to get another impact player.
The 28th picks doesn't impact in their first years in general.

You're right, we should be stronger to reach the finals next year. Chicago, Brooklyn and Indiana are Miami's trouble, but you're right with OKC, Clippers and our aging stars.

But if we're going to reach the finals again, 28th pick will not help especially in his first season. We will be well under the cap right now and we can sign a very good free-agent in off-season. That will be the impact player for next year, not the 28th pick.

Jean Charles is not an attractive pick for me too, but he's a future project and he will not hold place in our cap.(Since we should not need to sign him this season). That means nearly 1M more cap space for us.
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This wasn't the draft to make crazy moves. But if you think this same team can get to the Finals again and win, with Manu older, Tim older, Westbrook back in the playoffs, Clippers with a much better coach, Chicago with Rose back, Indiana with Granger back, Brooklyn with KG and Pierce now, and Miami with possibly an uninjured Wade, you're crazy. They've got to get another impact player.
And that impact player would be LaMarcus Aldridge! Or Andre Igudala
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The 28th picks doesn't impact in their first years in general.

You're right, we should be stronger to reach the finals next year. Chicago, Brooklyn and Indiana are Miami's trouble, but you're right with OKC, Clippers and our aging stars.

But if we're going to reach the finals again, 28th pick will not help especially in his first season. We will be well under the cap right now and we can sign a very good free-agent in off-season. That will be the impact player for next year, not the 28th pick.

Jean Charles is not an attractive pick for me too, but he's a future project and he will not hold place in our cap.(Since we should not need to sign him this season). That means nearly 1M more cap space for us.
Oh I know they weren't going to find anybody in the draft. That's why I said this wasn't the draft to get crazy over. I was responding to the notion that the Spurs were only a rebound or a shot away from winning and they shouldn't make many changes. The only reason I mentioned the Eastern Conference teams was because they are potential Finals opponents, if they should get that far.
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I think this pick was guy they could have had at the #37-#40 spots. I think they could have traded down. He averaged 1.5 and 3.3 point per the last two seasons. I give them a D- on the draft grade.
Unless, once again, they couldn't find a taker for a trade. In that case, you take a guy you can stash that won't affect your financial situation. What some of these "experts" seem to forget is that with guaranteed money and the present salary structure of the NBA, a high second round pick is much more desirable than a low first rounder. It's why you generally only see teams trade way out of the back of the first, and not just a few picks down to the early second.
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Unless, once again, they couldn't find a taker for a trade. In that case, you take a guy you can stash that won't affect your financial situation. What some of these "experts" seem to forget is that with guaranteed money and the present salary structure of the NBA, a high second round pick is much more desirable than a low first rounder. It's why you generally only see teams trade way out of the back of the first, and not just a few picks down to the early second.
Portland and Memphis had multiple second rounders. I think 3 a piece. I'm sure they tried and the rest of the league too. Toronto didn't have a pick at all. Oh well
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This was a "F### It" pick. I doubt this guy will ever see an NBA court. Same with the second round pick.
Like others have said, with the current team, cap space is going to be more important since tweaks will be made, not mass changes. With this weak draft, only impact player for this team would be to sign a FA as well as our own FAs (that they want to keep). At the same time, they have a player that was MVP of the NIKE Summit this year (ahead of possible #1 overall pick next year in Wiggins) and could only get better. I am looking forward to July 15th.... to see what the next step will be.
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Good Move to save money R.C and the Front Office!

This kid seems like a good promise that may or may not pay off in few years. so Spurs FO did the right move by this pick now.


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Like others have said, with the current team, cap space is going to be more important since tweaks will be made, not mass changes. With this weak draft, only impact player for this team would be to sign a FA as well as our own FAs (that they want to keep). At the same time, they have a player that was MVP of the NIKE Summit this year (ahead of possible #1 overall pick next year in Wiggins) and could only get better. I am looking forward to July 15th.... to see what the next step will be.
july 10th now.
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USATODAY Adi Joseph gave the Spurs this evaluation on both picks...

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28. San Antonio Spurs: SF Livio Jean-Charles, French Guiana

It's even tougher to grade a pick like this because Jean-Charles is a long-term prospect. He likely won't be playing in the NBA in the next three seasons. Jean-Charles has some potential but is not as touted as Antetokounmpo, the Bucks' pick at No. 15. San Antonio rarely makes mistakes with these types of picks, though, and there's little downside. Grade: B+
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58. San Antonio Spurs: SF Deshaun Thomas, Ohio State

Thomas was the best player left on the board. He is very skilled and an elite scorer, not unlike No. 1 pick Anthony Bennett, but he's smaller and doesn't fit either forward spot ideally. Still, he's a terrific, proven value pick here. Grade: A

That same writer Adi gave the Spurs an Overall draft grade earlier this morning.

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New faces: No. 28 SF Livio Jean-Charles, No. 58 SF Deshaun Thomas

The Spurs are better at international scouting than any other team, and Jean-Charles is a product of that system. He likely will stay in France for a few years to develop, but he has enough potential that it's easy to see why the Spurs liked him. Then they went out and got a player who actually outranked Jean-Charles on some draft boards 30 picks later in Thomas. He's ready to play now and could find a nice niche as a corner shooter for the Spurs, if he makes the roster.

Grade: A-
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This a legacy grade now. The Spurs have outsmarted the scouts and pundits for so long that everybody gives them good grades just because they don't think they're smart enough to second guess this FO.
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USATODAY Adi Joseph gave the Spurs this evaluation on both picks...

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That same writer Adi gave the Spurs an Overall draft grade earlier this morning.

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Thomas may be ready to play for some team but not the Spurs with no defense in his game.
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Thomas may be ready to play for some team but not the Spurs with no defense in his game.
Yep. Agreed.

If and that is big IF he makes the roster.

Now we turn to the Summer League to see Thomas as well as some selected picks of players. And don't be surprised if some of the Summer League (Undrafted talents) might be even better than the drafted ones. Who knows! There might be a diamond in the rough!
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Give this 19 yr old another year or so to put on 18 pounds and lock him in a gym with a shooting coach for about 3 months so that he can play small forward and the Spurs might have made a great pick.
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