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Old 04-28-13, 08:33 PM
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Dwight Howard flat-out quit. He wasn't injured. He just wanted out. No wonder Timmy was laughin' at him during Game 3.
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Old 04-28-13, 10:00 PM
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I don't know that he quit necessarily. I think Pop just through more at him than his brain was able to process. Too bad. The guy is a tremendous athlete but with nothing upstairs.

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Old 04-28-13, 10:06 PM
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I want to know what he told Kupchak as he went through the tunnel. Interesting off season for the Lakers.
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Old 04-28-13, 11:20 PM
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He quit, he just quit out there.... He flat out quit.


BTW he sure did wear down out BIGS as the series went on! All 4 games!!!
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I want to know what he told Kupchak as he went through the tunnel. Interesting off season for the Lakers.
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I want to know what he told Kupchak as he went through the tunnel. Interesting off season for the Lakers.
I would say goodbye to him, GOD BLESS AND GOODNIGHT!
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Old 04-29-13, 07:54 AM
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Shaq and Charles may have pegged it correctly. Howard has no post moves and relies on his elbows and strength. Until he gets some, he will always be vulnerable to coaches like Pop.
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Old 04-29-13, 08:29 AM
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Shaq and Charles may have pegged it correctly. Howard has no post moves and relies on his elbows and strength. Until he gets some, he will always be vulnerable to coaches like Pop.
It's ironic that Shaq of all players would say that The Big Steamroller only had one move ... Post up under the basket and " Muscle " players out of the way !!! Hell the league let him get away with it his whole career !!!
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Old 04-29-13, 12:00 PM
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Howard used great post moves in Orlando when he was mentored by Dream. problem is that the offense that D'Antoni gave the team when Kobe was healthy wasn't relying on that. it was basically a faster form of the Princeton in which Kobe was the decision maker to throw up a shot or pass ASAP (unlike Brown's that relied on movement and passing from everyone).

Then Kobe gets hurt and they have to do a complete turnaround on the offensive plan with basically the bigs creating for themselves. there were no plays called if you look at it and D'Antoni when Howard/Gasol were forced to create on their own. MDA did give help to the guards because that's the only offense he knows. blame Dwight on quitting, but his effectiveness isn't entirely his fault. how do you basically go from a 7 seconds or less (maybe 12 seconds or less w/ this Laker team) and then go to pure post ups which is something the coach doesn't know anything about?
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Old 04-29-13, 12:33 PM
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Howard apparently thinks he's beyond learning and adding to his game. He does have a post game, we saw flashes of it during the series. But he still, after all these years, hasn't learned to use them with a little more finesse instead of trying to clobber anyone in his path. Shaq, for all his girth, was tough to ref. But he still didn't throw elbows and shoulders every time he was under the basket. He used his size, but he didn't make it so obvious. That's why he got calls and that's why he dominated. Howard should be dominating. He's bigger than everyone else. Instead, he's more like a Yao Ming out there.
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Old 04-29-13, 07:45 PM
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The dude is history ( to the Spurs) let's move on to round #2.
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Old 04-29-13, 11:54 PM
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It's ironic that Shaq of all players would say that The Big Steamroller only had one move ... Post up under the basket and " Muscle " players out of the way !!! Hell the league let him get away with it his whole career !!!
Well, he paid for it by probably absorbing more punishment than any player in the last 20 years or so. Anyways, Shaq had great footwork down low, and compared to Howard...Shaq's touch around the rim was amazing.
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Howard apparently thinks he's beyond learning and adding to his game. He does have a post game, we saw flashes of it during the series. But he still, after all these years, hasn't learned to use them with a little more finesse instead of trying to clobber anyone in his path. Shaq, for all his girth, was tough to ref. But he still didn't throw elbows and shoulders every time he was under the basket. He used his size, but he didn't make it so obvious. That's why he got calls and that's why he dominated. Howard should be dominating. He's bigger than everyone else. Instead, he's more like a Yao Ming out there.
LOL Uwe love ya but man Shaq used to use that elbow to clear out all the time and complain against us etc. when he got called for that! He used to clear out! He used to get a whistle I remember and say naw man not me! He would throw that bow and clear out to dunk it, then called for it. I agree on that rest though.
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Old 04-30-13, 06:35 AM
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I had a feeling that it was coming... this whole series he has looked like he wanted no part of the Spurs. He straight up quit like a punk if you ask me.
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Old 04-30-13, 06:59 AM
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The thing that gets to me is that some team out there is going to pay Dwight Howard max money. For what???????? A guy you can't even go to in the stretch to win a game for you? He can't shoot foul shots which means you can't keep him in the game in the final 2 minutes or so. He can't get his own shot like a Carmelo or a Lebron, so why pay him all that money??????
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Old 04-30-13, 08:17 AM
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LOL Uwe love ya but man Shaq used to use that elbow to clear out all the time and complain against us etc. when he got called for that! He used to clear out! He used to get a whistle I remember and say naw man not me! He would throw that bow and clear out to dunk it, then called for it. I agree on that rest though.
Oh he threw them, but not constantly like Howard. I still think Nash and Howard could do some damage, they just never got the court time together.
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Old 04-30-13, 02:13 PM
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Oh he threw them, but not constantly like Howard. I still think Nash and Howard could do some damage, they just never got the court time together.
Sorry, Uwe...you're off-base here. Shaq was virtually all-bows, all the time. He relied on the hook, clear out, and dunk his ENTIRE career. The refs actually seemed to tweak the way the post is called AFTER Shaq in order to prevent a repeat of a player using "muscle 'em outta the way" as their one go-to move.

Which is why D12 is moaning now.

Dwight just gave up--which begs the question whether the Lakers actually want him back.
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Old 04-30-13, 02:52 PM
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It seems like he wants to stay in LA and the Lakers want to keep him instead of letting him walk and loose what they had to give to get him. They're going to build the team around him. It's the wrong thing to do, but I'm glad they're doing it.
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Old 04-30-13, 03:32 PM
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Can't wait til the Lakers commit $60-70 per year to Dwightmare, limpin' Kobe and over-priced Pau. They're on the hook for two more years of Steve Nash , and they still have to pay Metta World War for another year.

If the Spurs are going to lose FA Tiago, I'm wondering if they could pry loose Jordan Hill for Neal and either one of our back-PGs or a draft pick.
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Howard clealry has not been mentored well - professionally as a player or a human being. He could use a Pop type coach, but so could most players in the league.
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The thing that gets to me is that some team out there is going to pay Dwight Howard max money. For what???????? A guy you can't even go to in the stretch to win a game for you? He can't shoot foul shots which means you can't keep him in the game in the final 2 minutes or so. He can't get his own shot like a Carmelo or a Lebron, so why pay him all that money??????
Any team that signs him is immediately relevant.
HOU wants him in the middle and Harden on the perimeter. That might not spell championship, but you sure get to buy some vowels.

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Can't wait til the Lakers commit $60-70 per year to Dwightmare, limpin' Kobe and over-priced Pau. They're on the hook for two more years of Steve Nash , and they still have to pay Metta World War for another year.
Lakers will most likely amnesty one of those players not named Nash. Artest is the most likely option, but Gasol saves a lot more money. Kobe is probably untouchable.
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Any team that signs him is immediately relevant.
HOU wants him in the middle and Harden on the perimeter. That might not spell championship, but you sure get to buy some vowels.



Lakers will most likely amnesty one of those players not named Nash. Artest is the most likely option, but Gasol saves a lot more money. Kobe is probably untouchable.
Bingo to point one. Dwight is a fantastic post deterrence--hell, look at how he alters Parker's penetration game when he's 1) in the game, and 2) not in foul trouble. Dwight as alpha-scorer for a team is where the conflict arises. As broad as his shoulders are, he's just not wired to carry a team on his back when they NEED, NEED, NEED a bucket.

...and Artest/MWP/The Artist formerly known as Dirk McGurk: Here's to you as AMNESTY CANDIDATE OF THE YEAR 2013.
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...and Artest/MWP/The Artist formerly known as Dirk McGurk: Here's to you as AMNESTY CANDIDATE OF THE YEAR 2013.
But, if LAL were to make the decision based on finances...
Kobe, coming off Achilles surgery saves just under the national debt. And, he could be signed by LAL July 1 (or 8), 2014. Roughly one year AFTER the Achilles surgery to a 32+ year old.
Jerry Buss is dead. His son is making the financial decisions now.

All that said, I still expect Artest to be available as an amnesty casualty.
If full pay PLUS another contract can be considered a casualty.
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^^^ From a pure financial standpoint: Absolutely. LAL amnesties Kobe, no hesitation, no second thoughts about it.

Mamba is slated to make $30,453,000 next year. YIKES. Plus, the new CBA penalties (w/o repeater rates) kick in for next year. Double YIKES!

...now, we all quietly think of all the reasons why the Lakers can't save themselves tens of millions in penalties by just letting a 33 yo with 60k+ career minutes played and multiple knee surgeries just go quietly into the night.

Those reasons are precisely why the Laker FO won't do it. Even the with the (short)Buss now calling the shots, the fan backlash and Kobe-tantrum that would result from amnesty would be untenable. MWP books just enough savings and frees up a roster slot eaten by one of their many has-been, ghost-of-themselves players that this gets done.

We can dream, though.
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We can dream, though.
Well, that dream might result in a James, Wade, Bosh and Bryant MIA team next playoffs as Bryant picks his playoff team of 2014 before he re-signs with LAL. Minimum money, signs a TinMac deal just before the playoffs start. Except he doesn't get to wear a suit.
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Way to Freddy Krueger my daydream, KSF.
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Way to Freddy Krueger my daydream, KSF.
Hehe. I've been called a lot of things here, but that's probably the first time Freddy Krueger came into play.

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