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02-28-13, 05:19 PM
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Has Ginobili lost his Star Power? Written by David Rountree Thursday, 28 February 2013 17:38  A couple months away from the playoffs and the Spurs’ star still looks out of sync. Manu Ginobili has always been a player the Spurs could count on to have big games, but lately the aging star has been rather quiet. His drives to the basket are fewer and farther in between and most of his stats as a whole are down from last season. Coach Popovich has done a good job monitoring Ginobili’s minutes but the star has still had injury issues this season. READ MORE AT MVPTEXAS.COM
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02-28-13, 07:33 PM
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I don't know, but he looked terrible last night.
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02-28-13, 08:58 PM
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I look at his free throws as the main indicator. Manu doesn't have to be in his prime to hit them yet his percentage is declining. To me that indicates that his heart is drifting away from the game with other outside priorities taking his interest. There is nothing wrong with that. That's just the way it is and the Spurs are bringing in new blood in hopes of compensating as much as possible. Someone besides Parker will need to add to the assists off the bench on a consistent basis. Who will it be?
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02-28-13, 10:54 PM
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Manu lost his star power years ago, he's good for a comeback or when you need a spark plug off the bench. last night he was terrible, but down the stretch everyone was. Parker couldn't score over a taller guy (deja vu from OKC series) and TD got beat up by Jermaine O'Neal. scratch last night's performance as just one game for everyone.
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02-28-13, 11:07 PM
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Seems like every time Manu hits the floor this season I’ve been cringing. The guy has lost everything I loved about his game. Looks good but can’t finish anything. Isn’t his current contract up after this season? I’m about as big a Manu fan as they come but I think it’s about time for him to hang up the sneakers.
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02-28-13, 11:27 PM
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I hate the jump shooting version who jacks up bad threes! I miss the Manu who could drive and draw a foul or finish! I know he is alot older and mileage on him is a given! He has played for so long! His FT's used to be what I counted on at the end of games, he never missed! That part concerns me some. I will give him time and hope he during the playoffs can somewhat be Manu again! If not his ship has sailed and that happens to all. He as a star though like Jose said thats been done a few years, the only thing we can hope is he shows up at the big moments and gives us a spark! Thats all we can ask for now as he is older.
__________________ “The [Navy] specs called for Mach 2.34. We actually tested the airplane for Mach 2.5. I flew it 2.5 a couple times. When you fly a Phantom, it’s built for 2.0, but when you fly that fast you know it. It’s like sitting on a beach ball; you don’t know which way it’ll go, it’s so sensitive. In a F-14 it’s like sitting in a Cadillac. It’s solid. You don’t realize you’re going that fast. |
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03-01-13, 03:43 AM
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Many times since the last championship Manu was the star of the team and the team didn't follow. Either Pop didn't follow, taking bad decisions, either the team didn't follow, not playing at the height of the heart he was putting in playoff time (I'm talking of years '08, '09, '10, '11). Then there were also a couple of injuries. But unfortunately many times he was being a freaking star, the conditions around him didn't highlight this. (And it's such a shame that he didn't get that '05 Playoffs MVP which he deserved, just because it's the "finals" MVP and no the "Playoffs" MVP. As he was the motor of that team). Today everyone talks about Tony's team. Maybe this time that Manu is not at his great level but the team is better, he will suddenly appears on the playoffs, let's hope. Even with all the fan love and the Kobe's statements, Manu hasn't received the recognition he deserves for his career in the NBA. |
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03-01-13, 09:50 AM
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Mos'def....we can only hope he can show half of what he's capable of come playoff time. Call me biased, but I beleive Kawhi will more than make up for it (he already has shown he can). He's now IMO part of the big three. Anything we get from Manu on a nightly basis is always a nice addition! The plus is Danny Green/Tiago has stepped up enough to hide Manu's old age. I think he'll come around come playoff time (I think SJax will too!) Just my 2 cents 
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03-01-13, 11:30 AM
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Used to be whenever it was near the end of the game I wanted to the ball in Manu's hands. He was a 'money' player. But now it seems more and more obvious that he's quickly reaching the end of the road. He's never going to be what he once was and the best we can hope for in the playoffs is 10-15 minutes of good quality time from him. Anything more than that and I fear he'll continue to break down. I agree with those who think it's time for Kawhi to be given more and more responsibility at end of games,that's the only way he's going to learn how to deal with the pressure. He seems to have the right personality for the job. These upcoming playoffs will be important for both Splitter and Green. Neither one of them can afford to disappear under the glare of the bright lights.
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03-01-13, 01:32 PM
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At the beginning of the year I was fine with resigning Manu at the end of the season for 6-8 million per year, but now, I think that is way too much for what he brings. He can't consistently bring his 'A' game, try as he might. Of course, I noticed this 2 years ago and got called a Manu Hater.
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03-01-13, 01:48 PM
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Even with all the fan love and the Kobe's statements, Manu hasn't received the recognition he deserves for his career in the NBA.
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03-01-13, 01:49 PM
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and a month a go, i suggested trade him with blair and/or neal for al jefferson or josh smith... and people called me too ;-)
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03-01-13, 01:56 PM
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__________________ “The [Navy] specs called for Mach 2.34. We actually tested the airplane for Mach 2.5. I flew it 2.5 a couple times. When you fly a Phantom, it’s built for 2.0, but when you fly that fast you know it. It’s like sitting on a beach ball; you don’t know which way it’ll go, it’s so sensitive. In a F-14 it’s like sitting in a Cadillac. It’s solid. You don’t realize you’re going that fast. Last edited by Rzarector7; 03-01-13 at 01:59 PM. |
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03-01-13, 03:31 PM
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03-01-13, 03:54 PM
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Well, this appeared in an Argentine newspaper last Wednesday (so Manu wrote it before the Phoenix game). Manu's Article I won't take the time to translate everything (sorry, I'm too lazy for that right now) but the second to last paragraph is what caught my eye about this and this would be a translation of it. Quote:
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03-01-13, 04:40 PM
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03-01-13, 04:57 PM
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I was at the coming home game against Phoenix Wednesday and I have to admit, watching Manu on the bench after Pop took him out, Manu was rougher on himself than anything his critics have to say. When you fly with the eagles, you’re bound to hit some turbulence and falter a little. Manu is no dummy, he knows he has fewer game days ahead of him than behind him. Like Pop has said, “Manu is Manu” and he knows his body and his limitations. He won’t make a fool out of himself and he damn well won’t do it in front of the Spurs fans. When it is time, Manu will bow out gracefully and with dignity. Soon, the #20 will forever grace the halls and rafters of the AT&T Center but that day ain’t here yet. Ginobili still has gas in the engine and thread on his wheels and his heart is pumping with desire and he can still contribute to this team’s destiny. The stop sign may be around the corner but Manu is Manu and don’t get him pissed, he just might show the world what he has left to give before season’s end. When you have a winner, you back him to the end and like I said, it ain’t here yet.
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03-01-13, 07:58 PM
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After TD the star and Spurs' MVP was meant to be Tony Parker, by design of FO and coaching staff. Let's see how far we go next POffs. Better be beyond 1st round after all the hoopla and missed opportunities...Good luck for us winning another championship without Manu Ginobili.
__________________  NO D, NO RING!!!!   With 26 points on 4 of 4 shots from distance in only 20 minutes of PT. Efficient eviceration. Wolves' fan: ginobili vs. the wolves is like he's just kind of laughing to himself all game...kind of like he thinks it's cute that they're trying to play basketball. athenea@spursreport.com |
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03-01-13, 08:05 PM
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But please, enlighten us with a plan B. Last season has proved that not many in our team can give us the "plus" u need to win a championship or play their best when the chips r down. Let's comform ourselves with being a great regular season team.
__________________ NO D, NO RING!!!! With 26 points on 4 of 4 shots from distance in only 20 minutes of PT. Efficient eviceration. Wolves' fan: ginobili vs. the wolves is like he's just kind of laughing to himself all game...kind of like he thinks it's cute that they're trying to play basketball. athenea@spursreport.com |
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03-01-13, 08:08 PM
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Are we speaking numbers and stats? Ask any opposite player who they'd rather not play against in the POffs? That's star power 
__________________ NO D, NO RING!!!! With 26 points on 4 of 4 shots from distance in only 20 minutes of PT. Efficient eviceration. Wolves' fan: ginobili vs. the wolves is like he's just kind of laughing to himself all game...kind of like he thinks it's cute that they're trying to play basketball. athenea@spursreport.com |
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03-01-13, 08:19 PM
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Hedo Jefferson Mason Jr Diaw Bonner Bogans Mahinmi Vaughn Tolliver Udoka And we call ourselves a classy fanbase...I think we r more likely an amnesiac bunch.
__________________ NO D, NO RING!!!! With 26 points on 4 of 4 shots from distance in only 20 minutes of PT. Efficient eviceration. Wolves' fan: ginobili vs. the wolves is like he's just kind of laughing to himself all game...kind of like he thinks it's cute that they're trying to play basketball. athenea@spursreport.com |
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03-01-13, 09:53 PM
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Totally star dust 
__________________ NO D, NO RING!!!! With 26 points on 4 of 4 shots from distance in only 20 minutes of PT. Efficient eviceration. Wolves' fan: ginobili vs. the wolves is like he's just kind of laughing to himself all game...kind of like he thinks it's cute that they're trying to play basketball. athenea@spursreport.com |
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03-02-13, 11:20 AM
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Manu was great last night and it was good to see. In part even if he had a little bit left a part of me hopes he decides to retire at the end of the season and can move on to other things. I hate watching his career end like this with him becoming so injury prone and struggling coming back to get into any kind of rhythm. I don't want him to wait until he has nothing left. It's been a wonderful 11 years and it's going to be sad when we can't watch him anymore though. I'm going to have to go back and watch some of his amazing highlights . I kind of agree that Manu hasn't gotten enough credit. One thing I've been wondering is why is it when the Spurs don't win a championship during these years it's always blamed on Manu? If he's only a Sixth man on this team, shouldn't Tim and Tony be able to carry this team without him? It's not like he's the MVP on this team but people expect him to carry the Spurs to a championship and when they don't the blame always lands on Manu. When they do win a championship it's always Tim or Tony's team. Oh and in 2005, yes Tim deserved to be Finals MVP but if Manu didn't elevate his game starting from the Denver series where Pop did that crazy little experiment after loosing to them to stick Manu on the bench in the first place I don't know if we would've gotten to the Finals in the first place.
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03-02-13, 12:42 PM
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Dang it all, I may have to re-evaluate my previous stance "1: Manu Ginobili is averaging 12.3 points, 3.7 rebounds and 4.3 assists in 23.3 minutes per game. The only player in NBA history to hit those levels in the same season while averaging fewer than 24 minutes is … Ginobili last season." Marc Stein Weekend Dime
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03-02-13, 01:04 PM
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I like Manu and said he would get a good contract out of respect for what he has done for the organization, overpaid for his play now but thats what you get when you have flat out given your all for a team and you deserve all the respect and money they give you. I want him back here, just hope he has some left in his tank by the time we get to the playoffs! He brought it quite a few games last year, no doubt he will again. I hope his free throws improve at the end of the games and I know they will, just hope he stops the crazy threes out of the flow of the game because that Manu makes me cringe (When he is off anyways, no need to force the issue there). Other than that he is Manu and I hope to see 75% of the old Manu in the playoffs, hell that would be enough to get us alot further because lets be honest if he is not there for a run we are not really going to go anywhere relying on Green or Neal at the end of games!
__________________ “The [Navy] specs called for Mach 2.34. We actually tested the airplane for Mach 2.5. I flew it 2.5 a couple times. When you fly a Phantom, it’s built for 2.0, but when you fly that fast you know it. It’s like sitting on a beach ball; you don’t know which way it’ll go, it’s so sensitive. In a F-14 it’s like sitting in a Cadillac. It’s solid. You don’t realize you’re going that fast. |
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03-03-13, 09:24 PM
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__________________ NO D, NO RING!!!! With 26 points on 4 of 4 shots from distance in only 20 minutes of PT. Efficient eviceration. Wolves' fan: ginobili vs. the wolves is like he's just kind of laughing to himself all game...kind of like he thinks it's cute that they're trying to play basketball. athenea@spursreport.com |
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03-03-13, 09:26 PM
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__________________ NO D, NO RING!!!! With 26 points on 4 of 4 shots from distance in only 20 minutes of PT. Efficient eviceration. Wolves' fan: ginobili vs. the wolves is like he's just kind of laughing to himself all game...kind of like he thinks it's cute that they're trying to play basketball. athenea@spursreport.com |
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03-03-13, 09:47 PM
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03-03-13, 09:49 PM
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Is he a star still? No not this year nor last (Star meaning ALL STAR no slight), but I still will take 75% of the Manu we saw before in his prime, shoot I would take 50% of that and smile! Now lets hope he goes out and helps us get wins now that Tony is out, God knows we will need him. BTW threes falling and 6-6 tonight in the first half, damn thats huge! I wish I saw the game fully and got ot see that! I know he will step up now and play his ass OFF! I know they want that #1 seed and with Tony being out Manu stepping up along with Kawhi etc. is the only way we get that! GO SPURS!
__________________ “The [Navy] specs called for Mach 2.34. We actually tested the airplane for Mach 2.5. I flew it 2.5 a couple times. When you fly a Phantom, it’s built for 2.0, but when you fly that fast you know it. It’s like sitting on a beach ball; you don’t know which way it’ll go, it’s so sensitive. In a F-14 it’s like sitting in a Cadillac. It’s solid. You don’t realize you’re going that fast. Last edited by Rzarector7; 03-03-13 at 11:55 PM. |
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03-03-13, 11:07 PM
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03-05-13, 03:11 PM
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No he has not! Give him time
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03-05-13, 06:50 PM
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__________________ “The [Navy] specs called for Mach 2.34. We actually tested the airplane for Mach 2.5. I flew it 2.5 a couple times. When you fly a Phantom, it’s built for 2.0, but when you fly that fast you know it. It’s like sitting on a beach ball; you don’t know which way it’ll go, it’s so sensitive. In a F-14 it’s like sitting in a Cadillac. It’s solid. You don’t realize you’re going that fast. |
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03-06-13, 10:38 PM
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Well well well. Someone is waking up and playing excellent again right when we need him! Making plays all over. Those who thought he was done wake up! I thought he was in a huge slump and quetioned how much he had left after those bad games, seems he is feeling alot better and still can a very big playmaker for the team. KEEP IT UP! Forget being an all star we just need him to be a key part of our team for a run, any run will have to feature him.
__________________ “The [Navy] specs called for Mach 2.34. We actually tested the airplane for Mach 2.5. I flew it 2.5 a couple times. When you fly a Phantom, it’s built for 2.0, but when you fly that fast you know it. It’s like sitting on a beach ball; you don’t know which way it’ll go, it’s so sensitive. In a F-14 it’s like sitting in a Cadillac. It’s solid. You don’t realize you’re going that fast. |
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03-07-13, 08:32 AM
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He's probably been reading this thread and got pissed when he felt the dirt hit his head. But I have to agree, besides that 3rd eye, Manu must have a 4th and 5th eye somewhere. I'll always wonder if Manu would have been a good baseball pitcher with that arm.
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03-07-13, 09:04 AM
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hahahaha yeahhh Uwe and alh, because those crazy behind the back passing, i can imagine where is the 4th or 5th eye LOLOL btw... i really love eat crown on this one!!!!!!! yumi yumi!!!! yeahhhh!
__________________ “He’s everything, He has been the perfect coach for me. He understands what I need even if I don’t understand as a player what I need health-wise and time-wise. He continues to push me. He gets on my ass. He allows me to be a player, and at the same time I’m learning every day.” - Duncan on coach Popovich. |
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03-07-13, 10:24 AM
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Need Manu to continue producing at this level with TP, but also when he returns. With the improvement displayed by Splitter, Green and most importantly Kawhi, our team is much better IMO than last year whereas all the other teams are the same (Miami added Lewis and Allen) and even worse (OKC losing Harden). Fact is we're top 5 in defense and are number 1 in assists. We need to continue grinding on D and #5 will be ours people
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03-07-13, 10:46 AM
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^^^ We need a healthy roster, period. Ginobili still has enough mojo, or cojones or Mojones to get us through a couple tough series--but Miami IS BETTER than last year; LBJ is video-game good this year, and adding Jesus Shuttlesworth gives the Heat a true inside-out threat that you can't sag off of.
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03-07-13, 01:46 PM
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__________________ “The [Navy] specs called for Mach 2.34. We actually tested the airplane for Mach 2.5. I flew it 2.5 a couple times. When you fly a Phantom, it’s built for 2.0, but when you fly that fast you know it. It’s like sitting on a beach ball; you don’t know which way it’ll go, it’s so sensitive. In a F-14 it’s like sitting in a Cadillac. It’s solid. You don’t realize you’re going that fast. |
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03-07-13, 05:31 PM
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__________________ NO D, NO RING!!!! With 26 points on 4 of 4 shots from distance in only 20 minutes of PT. Efficient eviceration. Wolves' fan: ginobili vs. the wolves is like he's just kind of laughing to himself all game...kind of like he thinks it's cute that they're trying to play basketball. athenea@spursreport.com |
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03-07-13, 11:11 PM
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