Leonard Showing Why He's Perfect For Spurs

Jose_TheGenius · #1 02-14-13, 05:33 PM

When the San Antonio Spurs drafted Kawhi Leonard, it was to fill a need that was lost with Bruce Bowen's retirement. The team was desperately needing a versatile defensive stopper, something backup George Hill wasn't capable.

Hill was a shooting guard who was learning how to be a point guard and had long arms to guard the two guard, but he didn't have the mentality to be a defensive first player.

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td4mvp2k · #2 02-14-13, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose_TheGenius

Hill was a shooting guard who was learning how to be a point guard and had long arms to guard the two guard, but he didn't have the mentality to be a defensive first player.

BS! He was 1 of the best D-players on the team and you should know that! I dont know why your doing him like that...

TimmyDthaWay2B · #3 02-14-13, 07:15 PM

I can't say I disagree with Jose. George hill wasn't necessarily bad on defense, but I don't think he was that great either... One of the best defenders on spurs during that span wasn't really a accomplishment IMO.

td4mvp2k · #4 02-14-13, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TimmyDthaWay2B

George hill wasn't necessarily bad on defense, but I don't think he was that great either... One of the best defenders on spurs during that span wasn't really a accomplishment IMO.

Other then Manu Hill was the best defender at guard when with the Spurs. Do you see the Spurs? cuz if you do then you would know that you dont play if you dont play D and during that "span" they were 1 of the best D teams in the NBA so it was an "accomplishment" IMO!

InegoMontoya · #5 02-14-13, 09:03 PM

Actually, in the span that Hill was with our team we were not one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. The 08/09, 09/10 and 10/11 seasons saw the highest points per game totals our team has allowed since Duncan became a Spur.
Now, this is not to suggest that this is Hills fault, but one must consider his contributions to a steadily declining defense. I do agree that during that span he was one of our best defensive players. Which is to further emphasize the fact that we were not a great defensive team. Hill had a lot of potential in my opinion, and certainly showed flashes of the ability to be a great defender. (ill always be proud of the way he got in Kobe's face when they played the lakers)

That being said, I am a huge fan of Leonard and think he is a huge part of the spurs staying relevant in the post duncanobili era.

td4mvp2k · #6 02-14-13, 10:06 PM

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Actually, in the span that Hill was with our team we were not one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. The 08/09, 09/10 and 10/11 seasons saw the highest points per game totals our team has allowed since Duncan became a Spur.

In Hills span they werent one of the best defensive teams in the NBA?

In 09 and 10 they were in the big 10 in % and pts on D in the NBA so how were they not? In 11 they were avg on D but they were also playing alot more small and won the West so the D was good enuff. IDC how the D is since TD became a Spur cuz thats not what this is about.

Jose_TheGenius · #7 02-15-13, 12:44 AM

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BS! He was 1 of the best D-players on the team and you should know that! I dont know why your doing him like that...

ok who did he shut down? wagging his finger at Kobe Bryant isn't defense. he got burned by Nash in the playoffs.

the only time he's played great defense against a great player was Chris Paul in preseason when he was a rookie, that was it. other than that, he wasn't good and didn't use his arms.

before you go with "BS!", let's hear some reasons why i'm wrong over that.

btw team stats don't support Hill's individual defense. one guy can be a bad defensive player and have good defensive help around him (i.e. Michael Finley, Roger Mason, Brent Barry) and it wouldn't show in team stats.

td4mvp2k · #8 02-15-13, 01:34 AM

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before you go with "BS!", let's hear some reasons why i'm wrong over that.

You want me to give you reasons for your BS?

I shouldnt have to if your a fan and youve seen any games of him with the Spurs then you would know... that your wrong! Here is Pop calling Hill "a tenacious defender" when drafted BEFORE he came out... YouTube Nuff Said!

TimmyDthaWay2B · #9 02-15-13, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by td4mvp2k

Other then Manu Hill was the best defender at guard when with the Spurs. Do you see the Spurs? cuz if you do then you would know that you dont play if you dont play D and during that "span" they were 1 of the best D teams in the NBA so it was an "accomplishment" IMO!

Of course I watch the spurs.... But they were really bad on d for a stretch of years there....may have been before hill IDK.... Pretty much blocked it out... But i HAVE watched hill many and think you are overstating his importance on the defensive side ... He wasn't bad... But he wasn't a game changer or even close ... Btw.... Players that didn't play defense actually did get floor time.... Can you say MATT BONNER. OR EVEN ROGER MASON. Nice use of quotations btw...it really helped you get your point across LOL...

TimmyDthaWay2B · #10 02-15-13, 05:59 AM

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You want me to give you reasons for your BS?

I shouldnt have to if your a fan and youve seen any games of him with the Spurs then you would know... that your wrong! Here is Pop calling Hill "a tenacious defender" when drafted BEFORE he came out... YouTube Nuff Said!

so, you pull a video of pop saying hill was a tenacious defender before he even play a second of nba basketball? Who wouldn't be a tenacious defender at IUPUI... You really showed Jose. In the words of keyshawn.. Come on maaan...

Jose_TheGenius · #11 02-15-13, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by td4mvp2k

You want me to give you reasons for your BS?

I shouldnt have to if your a fan and youve seen any games of him with the Spurs then you would know... that your wrong! Here is Pop calling Hill "a tenacious defender" when drafted BEFORE he came out... YouTube Nuff Said!

i needed a laugh.

Roger Mason was a great PG for the Spurs. if you don't believe me, you never watched games before./sarcasm

by the way, riddle me this:

if Hill was SUCH A TENACIOUS DEFENDER, why did we trade him on draft day for a.....tenacious defender?

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so, you pull a video of pop saying hill was a tenacious defender before he even play a second of nba basketball? Who wouldn't be a tenacious defender at IUPUI... You really showed Jose. In the words of keyshawn.. Come on maaan...

defensive stopper at Ewey-Pooey! i think Kwame Brown was considered a good defender before the NBA too right?

esparzar1 · #12 02-15-13, 08:08 AM

hmmm, I don't know what to think of this...the 3 years we had GHill, the Spurs were a "decent" defensive team (top 10-15). I think we are just so used to them being top 5 D team the mediocrity was unheard of lol. Anyways, I'd agrue that Hill was our best individual defender not named Timmy during his span as a Spurs. Does that mean he was great on D? No, he was good but not great. Kawhi is great

td4mvp2k · #13 02-15-13, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TimmyDthaWay2B

I can't say I disagree with Jose. George hill wasn't necessarily bad on defense, but I don't think he was that great either... One of the best defenders on spurs during that span wasn't really a accomplishment IMO.

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Originally Posted by TimmyDthaWay2B

Of course I watch the spurs.... But they were really bad on d for a stretch of years there....may have been before hill IDK.... Pretty much blocked it out... Btw.... Players that didn't play defense actually did get floor time.... Can you say MATT BONNER. OR EVEN ROGER MASON. Nice use of quotations btw...it really helped you get your point across LOL...

Good of you to get my point across with your "quotations"!

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Originally Posted by TimmyDthaWay2B

so, you pull a video of pop saying hill was a tenacious defender before he even play a second of nba basketball? Who wouldn't be a tenacious defender at IUPUI... You really showed Jose. In the words of keyshawn.. Come on maaan...

Who wouldnt? Not you! Thats all I have to show and good of you again to get my point across... "Come on maaan" is nuff said...

esparzar1 · #14 02-15-13, 08:24 AM

Oh, BTW good article Jose....you forgot to mention one stat....Kawhi is shooting 84% from the FT line which is tops on the Spurs team

td4mvp2k · #15 02-15-13, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jose_TheGenius

if Hill was SUCH A TENACIOUS DEFENDER, why did we trade him on draft day for a.....tenacious defender?

He made my point!

Jose_TheGenius · #16 02-15-13, 10:35 AM

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He made my point!

um....no?

i asked if Hill was such a tenacious defender, why did we trade him for an actual tenacious defender in Kawhi?

it's ok to admit ur wrong, i do it when i'm wrong

td4mvp2k · #17 02-15-13, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jose_TheGenius

if Hill was SUCH A TENACIOUS DEFENDER, why did we trade him on draft day for a.....tenacious defender?

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Originally Posted by td4mvp2k

He made my point!

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Originally Posted by Jose_TheGenius

it's ok to admit ur wrong, i do it when i'm wrong

I can see that you do

choppsboy · #18 02-15-13, 11:11 AM

There is a big difference between saying someone is a good defender (which Hill was), and saying he is a lock down perimeter defender. Hill was NOT a lock down perimeter defender. Kawhi is/will be.

Jose_TheGenius · #19 02-15-13, 12:44 PM

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There is a big difference between saying someone is a good defender (which Hill was), and saying he is a lock down perimeter defender. Hill was NOT a lock down perimeter defender. Kawhi is/will be.

+1

he's already close to Bowen's level and it took Bruce years to get there while Kawhi is in his 2nd year

TimmyDthaWay2B · #20 02-15-13, 08:56 PM

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Good of you to get my point across with your "quotations"!

Who wouldnt? Not you! Thats all I have to show and good of you again to get my point across... "Come on maaan" is nuff said...

WTF are you even talking about.. This is the result of you no longer having an argument.

td4mvp2k · #21 02-15-13, 09:28 PM

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WTF are you even talking about..

TodTango · #22 02-16-13, 01:52 AM

I think the one thing that Kawhi has over Hill, assuming that they are the same kind of defender(THEY AREN'T) but let's say that they are. Hill simply cannot do what Kawhi does now, the same way Bruce did for the team all those ALL-NBA D Team years...Kawhi, unlike George, and like Bruce, can defend positions 1,2,3,4, and for a limited time, 5.

There is a huge difference when you're George Hill at 6'2 with long arms and around 190 pounds compared to Kawhi Leonard 6'7 with long arms and large hands and be around 225 pounds. Bruce Bowen played at 6'7 205.

That extra 5 inches and 20 pounds of muscle is something that GHill will never have...that's not BS.

TodTango · #23 02-16-13, 02:23 AM

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TimmyDthaWay2B · #25 02-17-13, 06:59 AM

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Apparently you dont even know.... I've be rolling my eyes ever since you used that video of Pop as if it were some kind of proof that hill was a tenacious defender... Classic.