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Old 08-09-12, 02:42 PM
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Lakers, Magic in blockbuster four-team trade talks to send Dwight Howard to L.A.

The Orlando Magic and Los Angeles Lakers are engaged with the Denver Nuggets and Philadelphia 76ers in a four-way blockbuster that could ultimately deliver superstar center Dwight Howard to the Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

A deal is not considered imminent, but the talks have grown serious over the course of this week, sources said.

Lakers, Magic in blockbuster four-team trade talks to send Dwight Howard to L.A. - Yahoo! Sports

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the Lakers are going to have Nash, Kobe, Howard as their Big 3 with no significant depth. if you're a Spurs fan, you have to be loving this
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Old 08-09-12, 03:03 PM
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The Orlando Magic and Los Angeles Lakers are engaged with the Denver Nuggets and Philadelphia 76ers in a four-way blockbuster that could ultimately deliver superstar center Dwight Howard to the Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

A deal is not considered imminent, but the talks have grown serious over the course of this week, sources said.

Lakers, Magic in blockbuster four-team trade talks to send Dwight Howard to L.A. - Yahoo! Sports

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the Lakers are going to have Nash, Kobe, Howard as their Big 3 with no significant depth. if you're a Spurs fan, you have to be loving this
We said the same thing about Miami and look how that turned out.
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Old 08-09-12, 03:16 PM
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We said the same thing about Miami and look how that turned out.
So true but then again Miami's 3 are much younger than 2 of these Lakers. Pop would probably enjoy playing Hack-a-Howard at least 3 times during the season though.
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Old 08-09-12, 03:47 PM
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They ALREADY have no depth. They would have an MVP level superstar and no depth instead of a barely healthy lower tier all-star center and no depth.

Spurs have proven the last few years that depth is overrated. What you need is elite players. You can fit scrubs in around them.

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Old 08-09-12, 03:49 PM
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So true but then again Miami's 3 are much younger than 2 of these Lakers. Pop would probably enjoy playing Hack-a-Howard at least 3 times during the season though.
Who cares how young they are?

Crazy thing about this is that the Lakers will likely end up keeping Gasol, so it's not like they're emptying the cupboard to get this guy.
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Old 08-09-12, 03:56 PM
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We said the same thing about Miami and look how that turned out.
not necessarily, the problem was never with their Big 3, it was with Lebron and Wade. they overcame that with one playing PG while the other played their position. Bosh was never a guy seen as a true superstar and never needed the ball in his hands either.

now you're talking about 3 guys with different types of play: one likes to handle the ball and run, the other likes to play outside in, and the other inside out.

why we should be happy about this trade is they've decided to trade 2 starters for the best center in the NBA.....with a bad back. the Lakers former strength (2 big guys protecting the rim) is now gone. this actually opens the opportunity for Blair to start and no need for him to be benched for Diaw (if Pop goes that route).

they have no depth and Nash can't play more than 30mpg without wearing down (especially in a defensive minded team and that's what Brown will stress). he gave Terry Porter hell when Porter wanted Nash to spot up and shoot and defend well and that was when he could still play at an MVP level. don't forget World Peace is gonna be asked to strictly be a defender without seeing the ball much, how he handles that will determine the locker room attitude.
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If good ol’ Dwight has repercussions with that back injury, I’m really going to be tore up. :sarcasm
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Well, that would just all-in-all blow for Houston fans.

Gut the roster to create all the trade chips possible, only to end up with a gutted roster.
And rookies! Man, we got rookies!

The only thing that'll change in Houston this year is that they probably won't have a winning record, and Scola won't lead them to the lottery.

Okay, the only thing that's CERTAIN is that Scola won't lead them to the lottery.

Anyone need a rookie or 5 for a really good vet?
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Old 08-09-12, 05:54 PM
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Anyone need a rookie or 5 for a really good vet?
of course! Bonner is a seasoned veteran with experience and a great stretch 4 for Houston.
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Old 08-09-12, 06:01 PM
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of course! Bonner is a seasoned veteran with experience and a great stretch 4 for Houston.
Gawd knows he won't have the chance to fail in the playoffs for years.

Last I heard, the Spurs roster was full. No room for 5 rookies.
Shoot!
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Would be another bonehead mistake by Mitch Kupcake if both Gasol and Bynum are included. I hope they do make that trade.

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Old 08-09-12, 11:12 PM
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Keeping gasol after he was initially included is a great move for the lakers. Pecking order is still OKC, SA and lal
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Would be another bonehead mistake by Mitch Kupcake if both Gasol and Bynum are included. I hope they do make that trade.
Gasol is still there so I would say it's pretty much another steal of LA! They were not that great the last two years so the league needed them to be relevant again and pow it happens again! GO FIGURE! Orlando could have had Humphries, Lopez and some picks, instead they get who? Great trade idiots.
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Old 08-09-12, 11:13 PM
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Would be another bonehead mistake by Mitch Kupcake if both Gasol and Bynum are included. I hope they do make that trade.
Espn says its a done deal.Lakers give up Bynum and a 1st for Howard. Lakers keep Gasol. Great moves for them adding Nash and Howard.

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Keeping gasol after he was initially included is a great move for the lakers. Pecking order is still OKC, SA and lal
Gasol would have never been included unless Lakers were getting Iggy as well. Lakers should be favorites to win the west if they stay healthy. Nash is going to make a bigger diference than many think. Pick and rolls with Nash/Gasol and Nash/Howard will be very tough to defend.

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Old 08-09-12, 11:17 PM
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Gasol is still there so I would say it's pretty much another steal of LA! They were not that great the last two years so the league needed them to be relevant again and pow it happens again! GO FIGURE! Orlando could have had Humphries, Lopez and some picks, instead they get who? Great trade idiots.
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Espn says its a done deal.Lakers give up Bynum and a 1st for Howard. Lakers keep Gasol. Great moves for them adding Nash and Howard. Gasol would have never been included unless Lakers were getting Iggy as well. Lakers should be favorites to win the west if they stay healthy. Nash is going to make a bigger diference than many think. Pick and rolls with Nash/Gasol and Nash/Howard will be very tough to defend.
Not done yet. Still have to wait word from NBA tomorrow. I wouldnt go that far on Lakers winning the west.

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Old 08-09-12, 11:23 PM
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I think that depth is not overrated, we had it when we won and Miami had a lot more depth than the Lakers will have next year, same thing with Boston when they won. And I think that the health of all 3 o their stars is hanging by a thread.
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Old 08-09-12, 11:59 PM
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Nash
Kobe / Jamison
World Peace
Harrington
Howard

It is an interesting team, with a lot of health questions.

How much does Steve Nash have left in the tank? No PG in the history of the NBA has made a contribution as a quality starter at PG at the age of 38. At age 37, he was able to maintain his minutes and performance at an all-star level and he hasn't had a history of missing large chunks of time due to injury.

Can Kobe Bryant learn how to lead from behind? We watched Tim Duncan learn how to lead his team behind a younger more capable scorer, can Kobe Bryant learn to do the same?

Is Metta World Peace done? He's been bleeding minutes and stats for a few years now and it has become apparent to me that he at the end of his career. At $14M over the next two years, he would have been an obvious amnesty for any other team, but with the Lakers unlimited pool of money, that just isn't a problem.

Will Dwight Howard be the same player after recovering from back surgery? Of all the great NBA centers of the last 20 years (Admiral, Dream, Ewing, Shaq, Mutumbo, Howard) none have relied more on their athleticism than Dwight Howard. David Robinson, the second best athlete from that group also suffered a back injury at a similar point in his career and while still extremely effective, he was never quite the same player. Of course in addition to his athleticism Robinson also featured a legendary high and low post game, quality shooting touch, and great court vision/passing skills for a big man. While Howard has improved in some of these areas he doesn't come anywhere near Robinson.
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[quote=grizzly_bexar;1284023]Who cares how young they are?

The coaches who have to figure out how to manage minutes.
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Old 08-10-12, 01:59 AM
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Report: Howard Goes to Lakers in Four-Team Blockbuster Trade

Slightly different components moving, apparently keep Pau and Al go's to Orlando, but "sources" are now saying it is not in the works deal done and calling Friday to get league approval.

Case for this being a reality is becoming a certainty and that starting 5 of Nash, Kobe, Dwight, World and Pau should scare most people.
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Western conference is now locked. No chance for us.

They send only Bynum for Howard, just funny.
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Western conference is now locked. No chance for us.

They send only Bynum for Howard, just funny.
It remains to be seen.

An uphill task for Brown to manage all the egos.
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Stern will veto this. Orlando got a horrendous package. Protected firsts from playoff teams and Arron Afflalo? 25 owners in the league are going to be raising hell tomorrow.
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Nash
Kobe / Jamison
World Peace
Harrington
Howard

It is an interesting team, with a lot of health questions.

How much does Steve Nash have left in the tank? No PG in the history of the NBA has made a contribution as a quality starter at PG at the age of 38.
John Stockton was still a quality starter at 38 with over 50% shooting and close to 9 apg. Nash has been more productive than Stockton from ages 35-37 so I'd expect him to produce at least as well if not better than Stockton did at 38.

The initial reports that Gasol was traded appear incorrect. Lakers are expected to get Howard while keeping Gasol.

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Stern will veto this. Orlando got a horrendous package. Protected firsts from playoff teams and Arron Afflalo? 25 owners in the league are going to be raising hell tomorrow.
Realistically Stern can't veto the trade unless it violates league rules. The league has no control over the personnel decisions Orlando makes. Orlando could have had Bynum for Howard and decided they didn't want him. It's their decision who they take in return.

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I don't think you need to talk about Orlando's GM Hennigan up there with the brightest of GM's. He got fleeced and the Magic are now condemned to sit in the same position of mediocrity (or worse) as the Rockets.

Meanwhile, Stern is in London wetting himself with glee at the prospect of a Miami v LA finals next year.

And Mark Cuban's head will finally explode....
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John Stockton was still a quality starter at 38 with over 50% shooting and close to 9 apg. Nash has been more productive than Stockton from ages 35-37 so I'd expect him to produce at least as well if not better than Stockton did at 38.
How could I have forgotten about Stockton. You are absolutely correct. He was a significant contributor through age 40. That man was a freak. I looked back at this stats and he played every regular season game in 17 out of his 19 seasons in the league. In his last year, he was still worth 14 points and 10 assists running that pick and roll with Malone.
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The magic officially got punked today.
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Well, let's not kid ourselves. Nash is old, but his role will only be a distributor of the ball. He's not going to be asked to score a lot. But he's going to make Howard look All-World. Pau too, and pretty much every other scrub they have. And they still have Kobe and Artest. They may not have much depth, but all they need in the playoffs is about 8 deep.
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After the trade

ODDS TO WIN 2012-2013 NBA CHAMPIONSHIP

HEAT 9/4
LAKERS 3/1
THUNDER 9/2
BULLS 10/1
SPURS 10/1
CELTICS 20/1
PACERS 25/1
NUGGETS 30/1
CLIPPERS 30/1
GRIZZLIES 30/1
76ERS 30/1
MAVERICKS 40/1
KNICKS 40/1
NETS 50/1
HAWKS 75/1
CAVALIERS 100/1
BUCKS 100/1
JAZZ 100/1
BLAZERS 100/1
WOLVES 100/1
ROCKETS 100/1
WARRIORS 100/1
HORNETS 100/1
MAGIC 200/1
KINGS 200/1
SUNS 200/1
PISTONS 200/1
WIZARDS 200/1
RAPTORS 500/1
BOBCATS 1000/1

Spurs at 10/1 not bad, not bad at all and frankly Scarlett, I still think the Thunder are better than the new look lakers....
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All Nash will need to do is throw the ball in the general direction of the rim, and somebody between Howard/Kobe/Gasol/Artist formerly known as Artest will get it in scoring position.
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Stern will veto this. Orlando got a horrendous package. Protected firsts from playoff teams and Arron Afflalo? 25 owners in the league are going to be raising hell tomorrow.
This is not the old New Orleans Hornets here which were NBA owned. They can do WHATEVER they want on trades. There is no veto!
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After the trade

ODDS TO WIN 2012-2013 NBA CHAMPIONSHIP

HEAT 9/4
LAKERS 3/1
THUNDER 9/2
BULLS 10/1
SPURS 10/1
CELTICS 20/1
PACERS 25/1
NUGGETS 30/1
CLIPPERS 30/1
GRIZZLIES 30/1
76ERS 30/1
MAVERICKS 40/1
KNICKS 40/1
NETS 50/1
HAWKS 75/1
CAVALIERS 100/1
BUCKS 100/1
JAZZ 100/1
BLAZERS 100/1
WOLVES 100/1
ROCKETS 100/1
WARRIORS 100/1
HORNETS 100/1
MAGIC 200/1
KINGS 200/1
SUNS 200/1
PISTONS 200/1
WIZARDS 200/1
RAPTORS 500/1
BOBCATS 1000/1

Spurs at 10/1 not bad, not bad at all and frankly Scarlett, I still think the Thunder are better than the new look lakers....

Not bad but I'd put a healthy Knicks at 20/1 and maybe a healthy T-Pups and Portland and 50/1 and drop the Celtics and the Mavs down. The Kings, with another year of experience under their belts may also be underrated.
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The Magic basically got back two long term contracts (one old player)and multiple conditional first round picks and some crappy second round picks for the best center in the league. I give them an "F"! I think the better offer was from the Nets. Also they did not get back Gasol or got rid of Hedo's contract. They needed unconditional picks. Them losing Shaq was way worse. That one was an "F-" to me. I know that grade is not real but it was that bad at the time.lol
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Old 08-11-12, 08:38 AM
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Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant

Jamison/Ebanks/WorldPeace

Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard

r u f'kin kiddin me? sometimes its comical to here when people make comments about how teams suck when they end up w/ talent; but in this case, its so nuts, that its not funny. its jst like, really? ur tellin me this team is going to have a problem b/c 'depth' ? ha.

and the topper is, its steve nash as the PG. i mean, another star PG who was a score first guy i might make something of this team 'collapsing' but wow. this is unreal.
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From Charley Rosen - (full Article) Trade of the Century

"DWIGHT HOWARD TO THE LAKERS

He’s obviously a dynamic rebounder and shot-blocker, but there are several cautions that must be noted. The first, and most important, being Jimmy Buss, who has inherited the management of the Lakers from his father. It was Buss the Younger who inhibited Andrew Bynum’s development by making excuses for his young center’s every mistake and generally catering to the many manifestations of his immaturity.

It was Buss who insisted that Bynum be the focus of Mike Brown’s offense. With Howard in L.A. on a trial basis, expect Buss to bend over backwards to spoil his new big man and insist that, like Bynum, the offense must be centered around Howard. The impact on the team’s overall chemistry must necessarily be disruptive.

Also, since Howard’s crude offensive did not improve much under the tutelage of Patrick Ewing in Orlando, he isn’t close to being a go-to scorer. Moreover, with his extremely limited range, Howard will clog the lane, severely restricting the sphere of influence of Steve Nash. Indeed, the last time Nash was paired with a pivot-bound big man (Shaquille O'Neal in 2008-09), the Suns were decidedly mediocre.

Plus, Howard’s being anchored in the pivot continues to reduce the multi-talented Pau Gasol into being largely a jump-shooter.

To take full advantage of Nash’s skill-set, Howard will have to learn to set sturdier picks than is his wont, and also to make more forceful rolls hoopward. And with Howard’s pitiful performance at the stripe, he will receive minimal touches in the clutch.

In addition, in Howard’s eagerness to block every shot he sees, he’s often out of position and therefore unable to provide the kind of rim-protection that he should. In other words, despite all the awards and hoopla, Howard’s defensive prowess is somewhat overrated.

But here’s the worst aspect of Howard’s game plan: Because of his dim-witted immaturity, he’s a loser."
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