Garnett: Situation must be right if he is going to return

[Jose_TheGenius]

The Celtics would love to learn Kevin Garnett’s plans, hopes and desires as soon as possible, but according to sources close to the situation, the Hall of Famer-to-be might be waiting on the team.

By all indications, the Celts have made it clear they want Garnett to return for at least the 2012-13 season, and there is strong evidence from those involved that he is more than willing to discuss that possibility.

Situation must be right if he is going to return - BostonHerald.com

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seems the Celtics won't be offering KG a big contract and we should've known he wouldn't like someone making more than him and with KG still being a part of the Big 3. as much as people will say KG is loyal, he'll want to play for a ring if he does and that opens the playing field for the rest of the teams.

[theinswes]

i dunno why Boston would want to blow the team up. they were a few quarters away from the Finals despite a ton of injuries. Rondo is a beast and the other 3 guys play around him really well, plus guys like Bradley and Green could be major contributors next year. they're almost like the Spurs of the East, except they're focused on defense instead of offense and Doc Rivers' defensive schemes look a crapload better than Pop's right now. they look for gritty defenders, we look for finesse shooters; both are successful even though I have a clear preference for defense.

[grizzly_bexar]

Yeah, if I am Ainge then I bring everybody back at their salary for 2012 for one more year and tell them you're giving him one more chance to do it with a healthy Bradley and green to go along with it.

[Jose_TheGenius]

apparently Bass is going to opt out (apparently his agent may be on drugs thinking he'll get more than $4 mill a year) so he may not be back. even healthy, they didn't have much depth (especially in PG and SF).

if KG bails on them, i think he knows this team won't compete next year. remember Garnett had to make up for Ray Allen slumping with a monster year and it will be a longer season next year.

[spurduncan21]

Originally Posted by Jose_TheGenius

apparently Bass is going to opt out (apparently his agent may be on drugs thinking he'll get more than $4 mill a year) so he may not be back. even healthy, they didn't have much depth (especially in PG and SF).

if KG bails on them, i think he knows this team won't compete next year. remember Garnett had to make up for Ray Allen slumping with a monster year and it will be a longer season next year.

$4m for an athletic outside shooting big is overpaid? For gods sake Jose, Bonner is makin $4m and the guy couldn't even find PT in the playoffs. He can make $6M or more and get several years at the rate as opposed to just a 1 year deal. If you're taking Matt bonner over him at that rate you're on drugs. Bass is more valuable and proved to be more than a situational player.

[Jose_TheGenius]

Originally Posted by spurduncan21

$4m for an athletic outside shooting big is overpaid? For gods sake Jose, Bonner is makin $4m and the guy couldn't even find PT in the playoffs. He can make $6M or more and get several years at the rate as opposed to just a 1 year deal. If you're taking Matt bonner over him at that rate you're on drugs. Bass is more valuable and proved to be more than a situational player.

when did i say i'd take Bonner over him? Bass is not athletic by any means (did you see how he would get torched on defense?). he's just a jump shooter, i just said that if Bonner is overpaid at $3 mill to just be a 3 point shooter and nothing else, Bass would be considered overpaid to be a $4 mill mid range jump shooter.

if you remember (which i would think you should), Bass' unathletic game is the reason KG had to move to the center position this year. if you think Brandon Bass is anymore more than a jump shooter, you've never seen the guy play and i'll take you haven't since you think he's athletic. btw Bass opted out, not because he wants a big payday but because he wants a longer term contract. if Bass returns to the Celtics, it'll be KG/Green guarding the athletic big man, not Bass.

[spurduncan21]

Originally Posted by Jose_TheGenius

when did i say i'd take Bonner over him? Bass is not athletic by any means (did you see how he would get torched on defense?). he's just a jump shooter, i just said that if Bonner is overpaid at $3 mill to just be a 3 point shooter and nothing else, Bass would be considered overpaid to be a $4 mill mid range jump shooter.

if you remember (which i would think you should), Bass' unathletic game is the reason KG had to move to the center position this year. if you think Brandon Bass is anymore more than a jump shooter, you've never seen the guy play and i'll take you haven't since you think he's athletic. btw Bass opted out, not because he wants a big payday but because he wants a longer term contract. if Bass returns to the Celtics, it'll be KG/Green guarding the athletic big man, not Bass.

First off I have watched plenty of bass to know that he is more than a jump shooter and certainly more of a stable contributer to a team than say our own Matt bonner. On a contract basis, Bass lives up to his deal , yet bonner at $4m simply does not. To even think that they are on the same level you are clearly delusional. When he was in Dallas he had a jump shot but also was seen dunking. Dude is not useless when not scoring that's te truth. The same cant be said for bonner who is useless when not attempting to shoot. You should think things through prior to attempting to judge someone else Bball IQ. Comes down to this: in a league where bigs are overly paid, a quicker (athletic in this case cuz he can jump unlike bonner), stronger, yet more valuable to a team will certainly net more than $4m a year. Bonner is a situational player who Pop has a crush so he plays. Bass proved this year to be a solid contributer on a regular basis with Boston. He showed glimpses of his potential when with the mavericks and didn't play nearly as much when in ORL. Bass was a major reason for the celtics winning a game against the heat and sixers because he was hitting key hits in the fourth. Going into his next contract it would be foolish to dismiss what he has done in the regular season and also in crunch time in the playoffs. Bonner doesn't produce in the playoffs and no way shape or form does that put him in the category of Bass. Not saying Bass is LBJ but the guy is more valuable than bonner and his would be $4M contract next season that he opted out of.

[spurduncan21]

Originally Posted by Jose_TheGenius

btw Bass opted out, not because he wants a big payday but because he wants a longer term contract. if Bass returns to the Celtics, it'll be KG/Green guarding the athletic big man, not Bass.

yea I mentioned that in the post you responded to. Adding in his postseason contributions will net him more years and yearly salary going forward. He played big for the celtics this season and was much more valuable to that team than say Bonner (insisting on using him since a spur and makes as much) was to us.

[Jose_TheGenius]

Originally Posted by spurduncan21

yea I mentioned that in the post you responded to. Adding in his postseason contributions will net him more years and yearly salary going forward. He played big for the celtics this season and was much more valuable to that team than say Bonner (insisting on using him since a spur and makes as much) was to us.

are you gonna factor in against the front courts he played against as opposed us? unlike the Celtics, we played teams with front courts that would've most likely obliterated the Celtics where Bonner was made null:

Milsap/Jefferson > Josh Smith/Marvin Williams
Blake Griffin/DeAndre Jordan > Elton Brand/Spencer Hawes
Ibaka/Perkins > Turiaf/Battier (factor in that he had a SF guarding him in the ECF and couldn't do anything as far as athleticism)

your theory of him being more valuable to the Celtics is a really bad example because the Celtics were severely depleted and he was actually their starter, so even if he did really horrible, it's not like he had anyone to lose his job to. switch those 2 players and have Bonner as their starting PF, who would you replace him with in that depleted roster? with how many shots he'd get with those minutes, he may put up similar stats.

i don't know where you get i say they're on the same level how does saying that Matt Bonner who earns $3 million to do the same stuff as Bass (jump shoot except Bonner goes for 3's, Bass goes for long 2's) is making them out to be the same player? my point is paying guys to do one thing (specialist) is overpaid. also, just because Bass dunks doesn't stop him from being one dimensional nor does it label him athletic. Bonner can dunk, he's still one dimensional.

[spurduncan21]

Originally Posted by Jose_TheGenius

apparently Bass is going to opt out (apparently his agent may be on drugs thinking he'll get more than $4 mill a year) so he may not be back. even healthy, they didn't have much depth (especially in PG and SF).

This is what I'm basing my argument on. If Matt Bonner, Darko and Kwame Brown can make more than $4M than Bass can definitely do better yearly and have a longer contract. I do feel he was moderately paid for this season and would be underpaid at the $4M mark. I would not say he is one dimensional but no point in arguing that since the thread is about KG. But Bass and his agent know better than us and are thinking about the future in trying to get a long term contract and are sure to net a better yearly salary.