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Old 05-26-12, 01:17 AM
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Dwight Howard will be Knick or a Laker next season

Dwight Howard has let it be known, again, that he does not want to play for the Orlando Magic. This despite the Magic firing coach Stan Van Gundy and watching General Manager Otis Smith resign, both of which Dwight Howard apparently desired.

Howard has let it be known that he would welcome a trade to the Nets, Mavericks, Clippers, Knicks and Lakers and the Magic seem all too willing to grant him his request as long as another team will also take back Hedo Turkoglu in any Howard deal.

Turkoglu however is the key as demanding he be included in any deal automatically limits the list of teams that are able to realistically acquire Howard to only the Knicks and Lakers. The Mavericks and Clippers have literally nothing of substance to offer the Magic and the Nets would have to get extremely creative with sign and trades involving Brook Lopez and Gerald Wallace, two players the Magic may not want even if they were offered. That leaves the Knicks and Lakers as the only two teams with a realistic shot of trading for the Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu duo.

The Knicks offer is an easy one to predict. I believe the Knicks would offer Amare Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler for Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu and Glen "Big Baby" Davis which I also believe the Magic would accept if the Lakers cannot make a stronger offer. A starting five in Gotham city of Jeremy Lin, Iman Shumpert, Carmelo Anthony, Steve Novak (in the Ryan Anderson stretch power forward role) and Dwight Howard with such starting quality bench players as Glen Davis, JR Smith and Landry Fields would make for the best Knicks team since 1999.

The Lakers offer is a bit more difficult to predict. I believe the Lakers would start by offering Pau Gasol and Steve Blake for Howard and Turkoglu. I also believe the Magic would reject that and threaten to accept the Knicks deal. The Lakers would then counter by offering to include Josh McRoberts and Christian Eyenga (if the Magic want him) in the deal and to take back the bad contract of Chris Duhon as well. The Magic would reject this revised offer as well.

The Lakers would finally get around to offering Andrew Bynum, Steve Blake, Josh McRoberts and Christian Eyenga, as well as perhaps a future draft pick or two and some cash for Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkoglu and that would be their best and final offer. The Magic would counter by asking for Bynum and Pau Gasol to which the Lakers would hang up the phone—quickly.

The above is how I see this Dwight Howard trade derby playing out.

The Magic will be forced to choose between the Knicks offer of Stoudemire and Chandler for Howard, Turkoglu and Davis or the Lakers offer of Bynum, Blake, McRoberts and Eyenga for Howard and Turkoglu alone.

Many fans might automatically assume the Magic would favor the Knicks offer as they would receive two quality starters and therefore remain a playoff team. However, while the Knicks offer does include two quality starters, those starters are also due an insane amount of money and both of them have some very serious injury issues. The Lakers' offer may not have quite the same star appeal but it does include the best singular player of the two offers in Bynum, as well as a decent starting point guard on a modest deal in Blake and two talented youngsters in McRoberts and Eyenga on cheap contracts.

The Magic will have a tough decision to make but I believe they would ultimately accept the Lakers offer over the Knicks offer, primarily because the Lakers play in the Western Conference and teams seem to have a severe aversion to trading superstars within their own conferences, especially if the offers from teams outside their conference are extremely similar in value to those being offered from teams in their same conference.

Kobe Bryant may have a new Superman to play with next season!!

NBA Rumors: Why Dwight Howard Will Either Be a Knick or Laker Next Season | Bleacher Report
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Old 05-26-12, 02:11 PM
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the Lakers have lost leverage in trades because they were awful. before this season, they had some leverage to trade only a Bynum or a Gasol with other players for Howard. now that they HAVE to, don't think for a minute that a Gasol/Bynum for Howard package would be demanded.

if that's the case, let Kobe try to dominate a game for 4 quarters while doubling Howard.
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Old 05-26-12, 02:19 PM
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If the Knicks are able to dump Amare (horrendous uninsurable contract)and Tyson for DH and change then congrats to them. Unlikely as it seems now, but if that were to happen, then Turk would start and most likely Odom (signing for the minimum to pay in a huge market in NYC) coming off the bench would be a better squad than they have now. Imagine if Nash and would-be backup pg Lin both signed. Only way that last part happens is if Dolan pays the NBA to accept the NBAPA latest proposal allowing teams to sign their expiring contracts without cutting into salary cap (meaning both Lin and Novak) allowing the Knicks to use the full MLE to sign Nash or whomever
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I hope he goes to the Knicks. I want the Lakers to have to rebuild from the ground up like most teams instead of being able to get any player they want through free agency.
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most likely Odom (signing for the minimum to pay in a huge market in NYC) coming off the bench would be a better squad than they have now.
Odom isn't a free agent
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Odom isn't a free agent
he will be when he gets bought out since nobody his dumb enough to trade for $8+million contract, only $2.4M guaranteed
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Let's put all our effort into winning our 5th ring, then we can worry about Dwight.
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Let's put all our effort into winning our 5th ring, then we can worry about Dwight.
It's all good clov. I second that motion! Go spurs go!
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I hope he goes to the Knicks. I want the Lakers to have to rebuild from the ground up like most teams instead of being able to get any player they want through free agency.
This would be a trade, not free agency. Lakers won't trade for Howard unless he agrees to sign a long term deal at the end of the season.
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Old 05-26-12, 10:34 PM
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he will be when he gets bought out since nobody his dumb enough to trade for $8+million contract, only $2.4M guaranteed
they're looking to trade him. Cuban would trade him to a team for cap space, if anything. as bad as he played, buying Odom out would be a stupid move even for Cuban.
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Not sure Howard will bring a championship if he does not change his attitude ... wherever he goes
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This would be a trade, not free agency. Lakers won't trade for Howard unless he agrees to sign a long term deal at the end of the season.
Ok...free agency or trades. It really doesn't matter. They've never had to rebuild from the ground up.
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For LA, rebuilding will be tough.

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Ok...free agency or trades. It really doesn't matter. They've never had to rebuild from the ground up.
Building from the ground up is not much of an option for the Lakers. The main problem is that they have Kobe under contract for the next two seasons. They owe him $28.5 million in 2012/2013 and $30 million in 2013/2014.

Kobe has a no-trade clause so they can not trade him without his permission. He probably will not give it.

Does anyone know if LA has used their amnesty yet? Even if they still have it, and decide to use it on Kobe, they will still owe him the $58 million. Ouch!

My guess is that LA will pursue a win-now strategy for the next two seasons. Then they will decide whether to rebuild.
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Earlier this week, the Orlando Magic rid themselves of coach Stan Van Gundy and GM Otis Smith. Many believe their actions were a way to appease disgruntled star Dwight Howard, who is still recovering from herniated disk surgery.

If those were the organization's intentions, then their attempts fell flat, as Howard wants out of Orlando more than ever, according to SheridanHoops.com.

But, did the Magic really have a chance from the beginning to retain their franchise cornerstone?

After all, the 6'11" behemoth has asked numerous times for a trade to ship him to one of his preferred destinations. Obviously, his efforts, thus far, have been to no avail, but it wouldn't come as a surprise to see a deal come to fruition this offseason.

While releasing Van Gundy from his position and Smith's decision to step down from GM have immensely helped the franchise's chances in the Howard sweepstakes, as there are a plethora of reports stating gripes between the parties, it doesn't fully guarantee Howard will stay.

Since the beginning of Howard's uneasiness in the city that drafted him in 2004, which started right after Orlando's magical NBA Finals run in 2009, the former first overall pick has complained persistently about the supporting cast around him.

He did not grumble about GM Otis Smith or coach Stan Van Gundy, both of whom he has never bashed to the media, but the roster that surrounds him, something Orlando's brass has yet to address.

It has become painfully obvious that Orlando needs an infusion of talent and youth on this shallow depth chart. Besides point guard Jameer Nelson, sharpshooter J.J. Redick, Most Improved Player of the Year recipient Ryan Anderson and the aforementioned Howard, there are no players on the team that are neither overpaid or dispensable.

But, even the trio of Anderson, Nelson and Redick will not keep the All-NBA talent pleased, as the perennial All-Star desires a true second star, or sidekick, to play alongside.

Sure, the Orlando Magic have tried to grant Howard's wishes, as the team obtained Gilbert Arenas, Vince Carter and Rashard Lewis to fill that role. However, each of these three acquisitions failed in living up to the hype.

In addition, not only were they receiving a tremendous amount of money for their services, but they were each on the early downslide of their respective careers.

If there is one reason, however, that the Magic will never convince Howard to stay with Orlando, it is the unfortunate fact that O-Town is quite simply a small market without much national exposure.

It is no coincidence that the teams Howard is intrigued with (Boston, Los Angeles, Dallas, New York and Brooklyn) all reside in gargantuan cities.

Throughout this process, Howard has always denied any financial motive behind his reasoning, but why wouldn't he want to go to the Bulls, a team notably absent from the list. They possess the league's brightest facilitator, incredible depth and a fantastic coach in Tom Thibodeau.

Well, according to Slamonline.com, Howard is not interested in teaming with the crafty, young point guard. But, it isn't for basketball reasons. Instead, Adidas, who sponsors both Rose and Howard, doesn't want to see their two main NBA spokesmen in the same market.

In the end, Orlando, despite their willingness to make changes, have no shot at maintaining their star. Not only is his mind obviously already made up, but they addressed the wrong issue.

The team should have made a splash with a blockbuster trade or signing. In addition, the financial aspect of the ordeal doesn't help the Magic's case.

Sorry Orlando, but Howard's last game in Blue and White may have already passed.

NBA Rumors: Why Orlando Magic Were Foolish to Think Dwight Howard Would Stay | Bleacher Report
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