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Old 08-14-09, 11:41 PM
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Clinton Urges Progressive Push On Health Care, Shoots Down Euthanasia Myth

Clinton Urges Progressive Push On Health Care, Shoots Down Euthanasia Myth
First Posted: 08-13-09 11:02 PM | Updated: 08-14-09 10:53 AM



PITTSBURGH -- In a speech rallying progressives to make one last major push to pass health care reform, former President Bill Clinton accused Republicans of propagating a campaign of disinformation reminiscent of the effort to bring down his own attempt at reform.

"Do you want to go through that again?" the 42nd President asked the crowd of bloggers, online activists, and a slew of Democratic lawmakers at the Netroots Nation convention in Pittsburgh. "Of course you don't. I'm telling you no matter how low they drive support for this with misinformation, the minute the president signs a health care reform bill his approval will go up. Secondly, within a year, when all those bad things they say will happen don't happen, and all the good things happen, approval will explode."

The remarks fit into the wider theme of Clinton's more than hour-long address. Fresh off a trip to North Korea, in which he negotiated the release of two imprisoned American journalists, and with a sore voice, the former president declared the moment to be ripe for a progressive political era that could last "30 to 40 years."

But health care was the topic that the crowd wanted to hear about and Clinton didn't shy away from it. Occasionally referencing anecdotes from his failed reform effort in the early 1990s, he directly confronted the popular "death panel" myth being promoted among conservatives: that Democrats wanted to set up government panels to determine which sick patients to euthanize.

"Helping somebody draw up a living will is not the same thing as inviting seniors to die. It is a legitimate thing," he declared emphatically. "[Writing a will] doesn't have anything to do with all these crazy charges that are being made."

He pinpointed three ways in which Barack Obama's health care agenda faced an uphill battle: the complexity of the topic, the cost of reform, and the natural concern among the populace about changing the status quo. But he urged Democrats not to "lose their nerve."

"I'm pleading with you," he said, "try to keep this thing in the lane of getting something done. We need to pass a bill."

More than anything else, it was the memories of past failures that should compel current action, Clinton added. Unlike 17 years ago, he explained, the stars are now aligned to get legislation passed, in terms of the temperament of the American public, the genuine need for a systematic overhaul, or simple voting calculus in the United States Senate.

"Right now the Republicans are sitting around rooting for the President to fail," Clinton said. "And one of the reasons people are so hysterical at all these health care town-hall meetings... is they know they have no chance to beat health care this time, unless they can mortify with rigid fears some moderate conservative Democrats. Why do I know? Because they don't have the filibuster this time."

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Old 08-16-09, 11:27 PM
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Old 08-18-09, 01:25 PM
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I'm starting to believe Hilary would have had this passed by now if she were the President. Like her or not , if your a democrat she's got more balls than Obama.
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Old 08-30-09, 11:51 AM
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I can't believe anyone thinks that a 1000 page health reform bill is what we need. I would love to hear anybody illustrate what they think is so great about this bill and why it would be good for our country. Hillary wouldn't have done any better, because even democrats know that the majority of people don't want it and that we don't have the money to fund it.

Letting insurance companies compete across state lines and cracking down on malpractice lawsuits would be simple to try and take very little resources to impliment. Why is this not being considered by Obama?

Health care cost money, because physicians usually spend a decade of their life getting educated and technology has a cost. If anyone thinks that a public option will not eventually phase out private health care, you are wrong. Clinton is right in one year it might seem great, but give it time. Young college students are not going to decide to spend another 4-8 years going to school just to work for the government. Companies are not going to invest money into research and advanced technology if the government is their only customer. The quality of health care will steadily decline. The better minds of our country will not choose health care as a profession. This WILL decrease the health care resources. If you combine that with the aging baby boomers, rationing is very likely. It is hard for most that are south of 35 or 40 to understand what all this means, but one day you will be there and you will kick yourself. Most don't realize that IF this does happen and all the conservative predictions are correct, is that even if you are financially strong enough to pay for your own health care, you won't be able to. Private pay will be the last privelage to fall, but when it does, that is when it will all become very clear. Do you know what that means? It means if you need a valve replacement at age 75, you may not get it even if you can pay for it out of your own pocket. That is a reality, because it happens now in countries with socialized medicine and those people come to this country to get it done. What a great country we have, right?

The more this country allows for goverment take over, the more the people depend on it to provide for them. It is foolish to think that the government will take better care of you than you can, but then again this government is breading parasites and is being successfull. I guess more and more people are becoming complacent with mediocrity.

One simple solution for most of the 15% of Americans without health insurance:

-Make it a priority over a cell phone, new car, etc.

Most of the uninsured are illegals or people that don't want it or don't think they need it. And you know what? They get treated anyway in the ER.
So why are we ready to sacrifice a system so that these people can have insurance? It makes no sense. The people in this country that do pay for health insurance would certainly benefit from copetition across state lines and tort reform.
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Britain's medical body is well compensated. They're not exactly going broke. Your generalizations are likewise fairly insulting to people who work hard and still can't get good health care, and let's not even go into the discussion of how HMOs purposely seek out ways to deny you health care. Promotions based on denial of care are a fact, and when the minimum denial rate is posted at a preferred 15% there's something wrong.

By the way, it's just foolish to act as if things aren't already socialized. From the fact that Medicair is subsidized to the mail and schooling, it's not this big evil thing. It's not as if other countries have it perfect either, but some of what you're saying is simply hypothesization, fear mongering and baiting.
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Britain's medical body is well compensated.
You know this? And what is your definition of well compensated?

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Your generalizations are likewise fairly insulting to people who work hard and still can't get good health care


So we are suppose to give up our current system to help such a small number? And what defines "good health care". Most insurance is designed to cover catastrophic events.

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and let's not even go into the discussion of how HMOs purposely seek out ways to deny you health care. Promotions based on denial of care are a fact, and when the minimum denial rate is posted at a preferred 15% there's something wrong.

I agree HMO's are horrible, and denial is the game and delayed reembursement is the norm. However, your nuts if you think a government option will be any better.

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By the way, it's just foolish to act as if things aren't already socialized. From the fact that Medicair is subsidized to the mail and schooling, it's not this big evil thing. It's not as if other countries have it perfect either, but some of what you're saying is simply hypothesization, fear mongering and baiting.
I am sorry, but you can't compare this health care proposal to schools and the mail. As for medicair, it is broke and not working. What makes you think this will be any better? And maybe I don't like the idea of medicair either.

As far as socialism being evil, socialism was not the intent of the founders of the constitution. To say we already have some socialistic aspects doesn't make it o.k. to add more. If you are in love with socialism and having the government provide for you, then go to Britian or some other socialistic government.
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They should name it The Chappaquidick Health Care Bill of 2009, complete with the Mary Jo Kopechne End-Of-Life Rider
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