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Old 05-22-13, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteChocolateJr View Post
I don't know about that...

If Manu had wrapped Allen up from behind: Good, clean PO foul.
If Manu had smacked the ball and caught Allen's arms: Good, clean PO foul.

Grabbing an airborne player's wrist is a recipe for injury. Yes, Allen exaggerated the impact and after-effect of the fall; however, that doesn't factor into whether the initial contact was "unnecessary." Remember Juwan Howard whacking Derek Anderson in '01? Separated shoulder...out for the POs because of one single "good hard foul" on an airborne--and therefore vulnerable--player. The special rules and special treatment of vulnerable players are in place to protect players from injury. Different story if Allen doesn't leave his feet; different story if Manu doesn't grab and pull Allen's wrist.
Yes the Juwan Howard foul was dirty but he never went for the ball. DA could get really high and Howard was never an above the rim player even at Michigan. The Manu foul was more not grabbing his wrist but more of a follow through on the foul in my view. Kind of like when a boxer cuffs a punch on the back of the head and fighter falls down but it's not a knockout. As the broadcasters said the foul is on contact not the embellished fall to the ground but it's the NBA and they call it that way. How many times does a player make an awesome clean block with no contact but the guy falls down hard and then they call it. It's all about impact of the fall and not the initial contact. How about when people would hug Shaq going up? That should be flagrant since they are holding on and not making a play on the ball. Again the Juwan Howard play was a horrible example. Try again.
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